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59 Replies Last post: Jan 9, 2007 5:34 PM by mucho apetito   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 Previous Next
Click to view evanflein's profile Legend 1,279 posts since
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15. Dec 14, 2006 2:21 AM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
For what it's worth: a Northern state post. Alaska has a terrible obesity problem. I don't know where we "rank" but I'm sure it's up there. During a recent meeting of department heads at our office, more than half the women are morbidly obese, and that's just from observation. It's scary. I know they say it's too hard to exercise in the winter (but we have a lot of health clubs....), they're too busy (most of these women are single with very few volunteer obligations), or whatever. Bottom line, it's just too easy to eat whatever they want and do nothing physically. Today as I was trying to get more exercise by using the restroom on the other end of the building, they were waiting for the elevator to go to lunch (from the 2nd floor!!). Lord help us, I think our underlying problem isn't economics or education (these women all make good money and have masters degrees or better)... it's basic laziness!!!!!!

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16. Dec 14, 2006 5:31 PM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by banananutmuffin:
(One note: While living in southern WV, DH and I were checking out at the supermarket. The checkout girl looks at all our purchases as she rings them out, then looks at me and says, "You all eat healthy, don't you?" A second time a different cashier said to me, "You must be a vegetarian." My point: my diet was different enough from the mainstream that it was worthy of note to the cashiers. Since leaving WV, no one has ever commented on my groceries.)
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Lucky. I always get comments about my grocery purchases here in MN when I shop at the muggle stores and not the co-ops. And I am a vegetarian. Usually they're along the lines of, "You must be a vegetarian. I've never had that, how do you make it?" But lots of times they're of the "ugh, I could never be a vegetarian, I love meat too much" variety, followed by a description of their favorite carnivorous meal.
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Feb 3, 2006
17. Dec 14, 2006 8:35 PM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
every state has an obesity problem. the whole world does.

-age
-race
-gender
-socioeconomic status
-education level


If you want to see interesting and factual information, feel free to browse:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=healthus05.chapter.trend-tables[/URL" target="_blank">

Particularly Tables 72-74
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Dec 14, 2007
18. Dec 14, 2006 11:11 PM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by standophish:
What general area of WV do they live in? This is interesting...

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Outside of Summersville. The majority of people there eat very southern dishes. There are also McDonalds, Burger Kings, Pizza Huts, Ect.

My family lives on top of a mountain (basically) so they have to drive 40 minutes to these places but on occasion they do go out to eat. Its mostly homecooked meals
Click to view banananutmuffin's profile Expert 56 posts since
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20. Dec 15, 2006 2:08 AM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by standophish:
So, WV'ians weren't obese eating homecooked food 50 years ago. Why now with the exact same food?

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Portion sizes. Lifestyle. Modern conveniences. Too much TV. More soda, less water. Devices designed to make life easier. Grocery stores instead of gardening. Video games and computers. The list could go on and on...
Click to view Tim Carmichael's profile Pro 148 posts since
Oct 5, 2007
21. Dec 16, 2006 10:06 AM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
If you want a fight on your hands, declare that WV is not wholly immersed in Southern Culture and may actually have some aspects attributable to "The North".

(However, you can avoid the fight by using the language I did in the above sentence. They won't have a clue as to what you said... )

If WV did finish third in the voting, I claim vote fraud. There's no way they could have beaten out Indiana. We've still got them on smoking and divorce, though.

Back on topic: I say it's education and (as a result) income. You don't see many runners in low income areas. TC

P.S.--I am qualified to dis WV. The DW is descended from West Virginians. In fact, she's one of the first to marry outside the family...
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23. Dec 16, 2006 8:10 PM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
Kids With High IQs Grow Up to Be Vegetarians

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The smarter they are, the more likely they'll shun meat as adults, British researchers contend
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FRIDAY, Dec. 15 (HealthDay News) -- As a child's IQ rises, his taste for meat in adulthood declines, a new study suggests.

British researchers have found that children's IQ predicts their likelihood of becoming vegetarians as young adults -- lowering their risk for cardiovascular disease in the process. The finding could explain the link between smarts and better health, the investigators say.

"Brighter people tend to have healthier dietary habits," concluded lead author Catharine Gale, a senior research fellow at the MRC Epidemiology Resource Centre of the University of Southampton and Southampton General Hospital.

Recent studies suggest that vegetarianism may be associated with lower cholesterol, reduced risk of obesity and heart disease. This might explain why children with high IQs tend to have a lower risk of heart disease in later life.

The report is published in the Dec. 15 online edition of the British Medical Journal.

"We know from other studies that brighter children tend to behave in a healthier fashion as adults -- they're less likely to smoke, less likely to be overweight, less likely to have high blood pressure and more likely to take strenuous exercise," Gale said. "This study provides further evidence that people with a higher IQ tend to have a healthier lifestyle."

In the study, Gale's team collected data on nearly 8,200 men and women aged 30, whose IQ had been tested when they were 10 years of age.

"Children who scored higher on IQ tests at age 10 were more likely than those who got lower scores to report that they were vegetarian at the age of 30," Gale said.

The researchers found that 4.5 percent of participants were vegetarians. Of these, 2.5 percent were vegan, and 33.6 percent said they were vegetarian but also ate fish or chicken.

There was no difference in IQ score between strict vegetarians and those who said they were vegetarian but who said they ate fish or chicken, the researchers add.

Vegetarians were more likely to be female, of higher social class and better educated, but IQ was still a significant predictor of being vegetarian after adjustment for these factors, Gale said.

"Vegetarian diets are associated with lower cardiovascular disease risk in a number of studies, so these findings suggest that a such a diet may help to explain why children or adolescents with a higher IQ have a lower risk of coronary heart disease as adults," Gale said.

One expert said the findings aren't the whole answer, however.

"This study left many unanswered questions such as: Did the vegetarian children grow up in a household with a vegetarian parent? Were meatless meals regularly served in the household? Were the children eating a primarily vegetarian diet at the age of 10?" said Lona Sandon, an assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas.

"In addition, we don't know the beliefs or attitudes of the parents of the children, nor do we know if there was a particular event that led these children to becoming vegetarian in their teens or adulthood," Sandon said.

As the study showed, more women than men chose a vegetarian diet, Sandon noted. "Other research shows that women in general will focus more on their health than men. So, if they believe that a vegetarian diet will have health benefits, they are more likely to follow it," she said.

Given these factors, "we cannot draw any solid conclusions from this research," Sandon added.

Another expert agreed that a vegetarian diet is healthy.

"The evidence linking vegetarianism to good health outcomes is very strong," said Dr. David L. Katz, the director of the Prevention Research Center and an associate professor of public health at the Yale University School of Medicine.

"Studies, for example, of vegetarian Seventh-Day Adventists in California suggest that they have lower rates of almost all major chronic diseases, and greater longevity, than their omnivorous counterparts," Katz said. "Evidence is also strong and consistent that greater intelligence, higher education, and loftier social status -- which tend to cluster with one another -- also correlate with good health."

I am pleased to add I am a vegetarian
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24. Dec 19, 2006 3:22 PM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
QUOTE: "Small towns (with, say, pop > 1000) almost always have a fast-food restaurant. In Minnesota, it's Subway. In WV, it might be something else. "

In WV, it's called Tudor's Biscuit World, where they serve 50 kinds of bisquit sandwiches with meat, egg, cheese, and hash browns on one biscuit. There's Tudors all over West Virginia. Even in the Charleston airport.

Regardless, the geography and socioeconomic isolation probably has a lot more to do with the levels of obesity than biscuits. I eat some pretty terrible stuff too, but I also live in a city where I can walk everywhere I go. Most communities just aren't set up that way.
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25. Dec 19, 2006 3:57 PM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by slowshoes:

In WV, it's called Tudor's Biscuit World, where they serve 50 kinds of bisquit sandwiches with meat, egg, cheese, and hash browns on one biscuit. There's Tudors all over West Virginia. Even in the Charleston airport.
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Last time I was in Beckley, WV... the sign outside of Biscuit World was supposed to read "All You Can Eat Biscuits & Gravy." Some of the letters had fallen off, and instead the sign read:

"All You Can Eat Gravy"

To me, that pretty much said everything about the typical WV diet. LOL
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26. Dec 20, 2006 1:10 AM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
This topic is very easy to answer if you are from the area. I work with many folks that are evidence of the reason. Majority of the folks here were raised on farms and years ago they ate like horses because they worked like horses. Well, now you have tractors with attachments that do everything but wipe your rear for you. Then came along the ATV that is now as much of a requirement to living in WV as a house. You dont even need to walk to the mailbox. You can ride your honda there and back. Modern living has made it easy but the people never stopped eating like mad. I live it and witness it every day.
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27. Dec 21, 2006 5:26 PM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
What's with those buns stuffed with pepperoni that are everywhere in WV?
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Apr 27, 2005
28. Dec 26, 2007 3:56 AM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by mucho apetito:
What's with those buns stuffed with pepperoni that are everywhere in WV?

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Pepperoni balls? I don't think that's necessarily a WV thing...maybe an east coast thing. I've never been to WV before, and they're around here too. I live in PA but spend a lot of time in MD and NY.

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29. Dec 22, 2006 9:34 AM in response to: standophish
Re: Why is West Virginia the 3rd fattest state?
Hello from Wisconsin!!!!! We have our share of uneducated, lazy, cheap, obese folk. (Oh, and a lot of our bars are also open early in the morning for the real die-hards who can't make it through the day without chain-smoking and getting tanked on top of it.)

I'm voting for low incomes and no education as two causes of obesity. First, a lot of people get groceries at a certain "superstore" (I'm sure I don't have to use names here), which is often misleading in how it presents "healthy" food to people who don't know any better. Some don't realize that buying packaged, processed convenience food is not cheaper because you need more of that nutritionally void **** to fill you up. Second, I can't believe how many people think frozen chicken nuggets and Lean Cuisines are healthy meals! It's quite sad actually.