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Click to view vanillagu's profile Amateur 15 posts since
Mar 7, 2006

Jan 12, 2007 3:44 PM

Long Runs and Counting Calories

I am training for a marathon and trying to lose weight at the same time. I use Spark People regularly to count my calories. My question is: should I be counting calories on days I do my long runs (meaning 10 miles or more)? I am so hungry on those days I always go over my calorie "limit" - in terms of weight loss, should I be worried about this if I stick to my limit on most other days of the week?

FYI: I run about 40 -50 miles per week, 5 - 6 days/week. I am trying to lose 15 lbs (I tried to lose weight by running alone, no "dieting", for over a year and the scale didn't budge!).

Thanks for any help!
Click to view bjoiner's profile Expert 47 posts since
Feb 19, 2003
1. Jan 12, 2007 4:00 PM in response to: vanillagu
It's not normally advised to do both, train for a marathon, and lose weight at the same time. Your body needs more calories when you are running that type of distance. My advice: wait till after you finish your race to try and lose weight. But in the meantime, make sure you are eating good food - and enough of it.

Also if you slow down a bit on eating after a long run, I think you'll find that you aren't as hungry as you thought you were. After some of my long runs, I feel like I'd eat my own arm if that was the only thing left. If you drink plenty of water, eat a banana, and eat something that takes a while to chew, you'll eat less than you would if you pack away a box of cookies. Which, from my experience, still leaves you hungry.

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Click to view JeremyLikness's profile Pro 64 posts since
Oct 10, 2006
2. Jan 12, 2007 8:08 PM in response to: vanillagu
I don't know Spark People but any good calorie tracking program will take into account your activity and not just as an average. I use DietPower but there are many other programs. I average 2,000 calories as a "budget" per day but my long runs can burn 2,000 calories, so on those days my budget becomes 4,000 calories. You should factor in your exercise and compensate accordingly, otherwise you risk losing muscle and not just fat and increase chances of injury as well.

Jeremy
Click to view donlibes's profile Pro 167 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
3. Jan 12, 2007 10:45 PM in response to: vanillagu
quote:<HR>Originally posted by bjoiner:
It's not normally advised to do both, train for a marathon, and lose weight at the same time.<HR>
The real problem is not the weight loss - plenty of people lose weight (albeit inadvertently) while training for their first marathon. The problem is the long runs - if you don't eat enough in advance, you will have trouble going the distance without bonking.

For example, if you have a 16 mile run Sunday morning, you don't want to wait until Sunday afternoon to start consuming the additional 1600 calories.

I wish I could tell you how to ramp up the calories but I never figured it out myself. Probably want a bit of a bell curve.
Click to view Detroit094's profile Pro 133 posts since
Mar 14, 2005
4. Jan 13, 2007 10:50 AM in response to: vanillagu
what these guys said....the main problem with cutting out food is that you are just gonna feel crappy, assuming any decent amount of mileage and training. You just can't go into a 5Xmile workout underfueled and accomplish much of anything. If you do want to scale back on the intake a little, I'd do it on your easy days. And when training for a marathon, take those easy days EASY. Run with grandma.. You need to eat well, and maybe focus on dropping any significant poundage after the race.
Click to view xieta's profile Expert 42 posts since
Jan 25, 2005
5. Jan 13, 2007 11:38 AM in response to: vanillagu
I'm trying to lose weight as well, but not training for a marathon. from what I understand, when you're training hard, obviously you need fuel. But you need it because you burn it! So as long as you keep a 3500kcal/week deficit, you should be able to lose weight safely. Obviously you'll have to eat much much more than a sedentary person to achieve that deficit, but I don't believe there's nothing bad in it, as long as you load on healthy food.

Just my 2c
Click to view Ice Cream's profile Legend 602 posts since
Dec 28, 2003
6. Jan 13, 2007 4:33 PM in response to: vanillagu
quote:<HR>Originally posted by donlibes:
The problem is the long runs - if you don't eat enough in advance, you will have trouble going the distance without bonking.
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This is new to me. I NEVER eat more calories before a long run or a marathon, and I do not recall "bonking" more than twice in my life. (And I have completed 35 marathons.)
I think bonking is a function of being poorly trained and/or not taking in gu or something similar dring the run.
I do eat more after the run, though, and have noticed that I am hungrier the next day, and I allow for that, too.
Click to view figbash's profile Legend 620 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
7. Jan 13, 2007 4:57 PM in response to: vanillagu
Your ten mile run should burn between 1000 and 1500 calories depending on your weight. While you don't need to eat in advance for a 10 miler, you do need to replace what you burned for the next long run. I would suggest adding the amount of calories that you burn on your long run to what you would normally take in on that day and call it even.

As your long runs get longer, you will want to eat more carbohydrates the two to three days before you run. It's called carb loading[/URL" target="_blank"> and it can increase the amount of carbs you store by as much as 50%, a great help in the last few miles of the marathon. If you carb load properly, you should actually gain a few pounds before you run. Don't worry though, the weight is all water and glycogen and it will be completely used up by the end of a marathon or 20+ mile long run.

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Click to view donlibes's profile Pro 167 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Jan 13, 2007 6:18 PM in response to: vanillagu
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ice Cream:
This is new to me. I NEVER eat more calories before a long run or a marathon, and I do not recall "bonking" more than twice in my life. (And I have completed 35 marathons.)<HR>
I meant this in the context of losing weight at the same time - see the original post. How many of those marathons in which you didn't bonk where you going short 500-1000 calories per day?
Click to view Ice Cream's profile Legend 602 posts since
Dec 28, 2003
9. Jan 13, 2007 6:32 PM in response to: vanillagu
quote:<HR>Originally posted by donlibes:
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Originally posted by Ice Cream:
This is new to me. I NEVER eat more calories before a long run or a marathon, and I do not recall "bonking" more than twice in my life. (And I have completed 35 marathons.)<HR>
I meant this in the context of losing weight at the same time - see the original post. How many of those marathons in which you didn't bonk where you going short 500-1000 calories per day?

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Makes sense to me now.
Click to view merigayle's profile Legend 1,586 posts since
Aug 15, 2007
10. Jan 14, 2007 6:45 AM in response to: vanillagu
I think you are not eating the right foods if you are running 10 miles and eating all your calories and still hungry.

Usually on my weekdays i try to eat below my caloric burn, so for example, let's say i run for an hour, i have 2100 calories burnt that day between exercise and basic metabolic function, i will try to keep my intake around 1700-1800. However, on my long run days (4+ hours) i usually eat whatever i want, and the day before i try to eat ALL of my calories so i am properly fueled for my long run.

I think what your eating is the issue here, not how much. Are you getting enough foods with fiber, enough protien? I find if i eat a bagel for breakfast, i am hungry shortly thereafter, but if i eat 2 soy sausages which are full or protein, i am full for much longer. I also try to eat a lot of fruit and vegetables which make me less hungry.

Dieting while training for a marathon is definitly doable, just be careful not to have too big of a deficit with your calories every day and make sure you are fueling yourself properly before, during and after your runs.
Click to view willbevan's profile Expert 57 posts since
Dec 7, 2006
11. Jan 14, 2007 8:59 AM in response to: vanillagu
I am trying to loose weight while training for a HM....

I run when I first get up in the morning (5-6am), don't eat before, take a sports drink with me if its 8mi+(otherwise just water) and AS SOON as I get back I have a good breakfast, then eat ever 2 hours after that while I'm at work, getting good carbs and protein (and of course fat with it), if I dont eat regularly that day I will feel very hungry and abosolutely crash!!! I eat as much extra good food as I burnt while running.... I still have an overall deficiency over the day aproximetly 500 cals......

I'm just after getting up the distance and getting healthy.... learning to make the right food choices again (not sit at my desk eating cookies, oh wait I did that thursday lol)

If I was trying to get the best possible speed etc, I don't think I would be trying to loose weight aswell....

Will
Click to view JeremyLikness's profile Pro 64 posts since
Oct 10, 2006
12. Jan 14, 2007 12:04 PM in response to: vanillagu
quote:<HR>Originally posted by merigayle:
I find if i eat a bagel for breakfast, i am hungry shortly thereafter, but if i eat 2 soy sausages which are full or protein, i am full for much longer. I also try to eat a lot of fruit and vegetables which make me less hungry.
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Ah, you must have not have tried sprouted grain bagels! Loaded with protein and fiber and definitely will satisfy for a long time.

Jeremy
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Aug 15, 2007
13. Jan 14, 2007 6:43 PM in response to: vanillagu
quote:<HR>Originally posted by JeremyLikness:
Ah, you must have not have tried sprouted grain bagels! Loaded with protein and fiber and definitely will satisfy for a long time.

Jeremy

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I do not think they sell them at my crappy local market devoid of good wholesome food I do eat wheat or pumpernickel bagels.