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9 Replies Last post: Jan 20, 2007 9:31 AM by Wodynn  
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Jan 14, 2007 10:12 AM

More calorie confusion

I am a bit confused on calculating my caloric needs in regard to running.....hopefully some of seasoned experts can help me out with this.

My short term weight goal is to loose 25 pounds in the next 4 months. I am currently at 196pounds. I also want to complete a half marathon at some point in 2007.

According to Fitday.com I burn about 2900 calories a day just by existing. If I do a 2 mile "run" (or 30minutes) I burn an extra 250calories thus bringing my total up to 3150. This means if I eat about 2800 calories I get a healthy 350 deficit. This is all well and good on a normal day.

On the days that I do my long rung, 4 miles in just over an hour, I tend to be very inactive (almost asleep) from the late afternoon on. Does this inactivity negate the additional calories I burned by my early morning run (500calories)? How does this affect my caloric intake?

Also, is there a protein:carb ratio that I should strive for? I want to loose fat, but not at the expense of loosing muscle or not improving my running.

If you made it to the end of this long winded post and still have the energy to post a reply....thanks!!
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1. Jan 14, 2007 10:50 AM in response to: stuyou
Re: More calorie confusion
One comment about Fitday - it tends to overestimate calories burned in activity - the usual hack is to set all activities to "sleeping".
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3. Jan 14, 2007 12:02 PM in response to: stuyou
Re: More calorie confusion
You're splitting hairs over concern on the one day you have the longer run. It's more what you do over time, than any particular day. Find a target and stick with it. Then, the equations don't matter - they are likely to be high or low depending on the individual. Instead, gauge your success.

Obviously if you consume those calories and don't drop weight after a few weeks, you are overestimating calories burned and need to either burn more calories and/or restrict your caloric intake. If you are on target, great, if you lose faster than expected then up them.

The equations are just guidelines and starting points, they are not set in stone. If you notice, they compute based on your age, height, weight, gender, etc. However studies have shown that if you get a room full of 100 people who have the same age, height, weight, gender, general activity level, etc, their metabolism can still vary in either direction by as much as 500 calories. That's significant and means you need to keep diligent records and adjust based on your actual success and progress.

That's why I shy from FitDay (yes, it is great that is free) and go more for software like DietPower that does this automatically (i.e. it doesn't attempt to guess based on an equation, but after analyzing my activity, food, and actual weight change, gives a very realistic interpretation of what my real metabolism is).

Here's an example of my past several days:

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As you can see, the blue line is my goal, the red is my actual weight - it definitely does a good job of keeping me on target.

Jeremy
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5. Jan 14, 2007 10:40 PM in response to: stuyou
Re: More calorie confusion
I was roughly the same weight as you and lost thirty pounds with an average daily intake of 200g carbs, 200g protein and 80-90g fat.

As I increased by training mileage I upped the carbs keeping the fat and protein intake at roughly the same level to maintain a daily deficit of 500-600 calories.

It took over a year to lose the weight but its a sustainable diet.

Don't neglect dietary fats as they are a valuable nutrient that can help play a part in fat loss.

2,900 sounds way too high for BMR. It sounds more like a maintenance level that includes moderate activity.
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6. Jan 15, 2007 12:10 AM in response to: stuyou
Re: More calorie confusion
I actually had my BMR tested using bodygem and one of the closest estimates came from

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8. Jan 15, 2007 10:57 AM in response to: stuyou
Re: More calorie confusion
quote:<HR>Originally posted by donlibes:
What's the green line? Is it showing that your goal weight won't be achieved with your current diet? I feel that I must be misinterpreting something!<HR>


The green line is projected weight. It's a rolling average, however. The red you see is from within my current program, while the green is averaging in days you don't see where I was maintaining/gaining. So the green is accurate from historical perspective before I changed my goal to drop weight, while the red is showing progress towards the blue which is my actual goal - hope that makes sense. Green will move closer to blue as I have more days in my current program.

Jeremy
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9. Jan 20, 2007 9:31 AM in response to: stuyou
Re: More calorie confusion
I just downloaded the trial of Diet Power - this is great stuff! I had been trying to find this "calorie bank" equation myself using fitday, I like that it does this for me. Thanks!