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Click to view beachgrrl's profile Rookie 5 posts since
Feb 13, 2007

Feb 13, 2007 2:06 PM

Running 18-21 miles a week on treadmill; no weight loss

Hi! I found this message board off of the Weight Watchers community boards and hope someone can help. I am 34, 5 feet tall and weigh 125. I recently lost 18 pounds by dieting alone. I am still dieting but for the last month have been running 18-21 miles a week (about 3 miles a day 6 or 7 days a week). I run at a 5 pace and can run for 1.5 miles straight and then go to 3.6 for about a mile and then I try to run the last .5 mile at 5 again. My question is that the scale has not budged at all! Yes my clothes fit better but I have not seen any real weight loss and the clothes do not fit that much better considering how much I am working out. I do not do any weight lifting although I did buy a Pilates machine at home that I use sporadically.
My dieting consists of this: cup of coffee in the am with nothing but fat free vanilla creamer in it, fat free string cheese, shirataki noodles, cucumbers, 94% fat free popcorn, turkey burgers, no bread, no pasta, chicken cutlets rarely...maybe once a month, lots of water, fat free croutons for my salad, fat free dressing, handful of olives, pineapple chunks in can, fat free whipped cream, pistachios, cream of wheat for breakfast, nothing but skim milk, cherry tomatoes. I try to vary each day what I eat but I do not waiver from the list of foods I eat above because I like them and they are mostly low fat. There is nothing I can think of that I eat that is bad or high in fat. I read all labels before I buy something. I have a lot of abdominal fat I am trying to lose and I have but I can't seem to lose the last 20 pounds. The fat is definately focused on my middle area. Any advice?
Click to view eryn23's profile Pro 75 posts since
Apr 25, 2006
1. Feb 13, 2007 3:46 PM in response to: beachgrrl
Just reading your post is exhausting...I think you are maybe obsessing a bit too much about what you're eating and not exercising enough. Is the 3 miles a day all you are doing for your workout? That's really not very much, especially when you are walking for a large part of the time. Maybe you could try working out 5 days a week instead and doing more on those days, you have to get a rest day in there somewhere. And add a weight workout of low weight/high repitition. Just some suggestions, you have to find what works best for you... Also, you might have more luck getting advice from others by posting this in another forum such as "newbie cafe"...this one is mainly for advice on food, diet, etc
Click to view figbash's profile Legend 620 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
3. Feb 13, 2007 4:28 PM in response to: beachgrrl
You are only burning about 300 calories per exercise session (it matters not if you walk or run). Since that exercise is also stimulating your appetite, it wouldn't take much to make up those 300 calories in your daily eating habits. Don't forget, it's not what you eat but how much of it that determines your caloric intake. An extra bite here and there could easily add 300 calories (half a cup of pistachios for instance) to your daily intake even though you are eating, for the most part, low calorie foods. Try writing down exactly what you eat for a few days, you'll be surprised how it adds up.

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Click to view mmoonhead's profile Legend 524 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
4. Feb 13, 2007 4:36 PM in response to: beachgrrl
First off, congrats on the weight loss so far.

Many on this thread would say that you run for fitness, eat for weight loss. You sound like you're doing well in terms of low-fat items, but have you ever done a calorie count on what you eat in a regular day?

If it's too high, then it won't matter if all your food is low-fat; you'll stay steady or even add weight...if it's too low, then your body may be going into a sort of starvation mode where it's reluctant to give up the extra fat.

Also, you may be plateauing because your workout has stagnated a bit - a prolonged plateau was good sign for me that I needed to shake things up a bit.

Think about some other cross-training to add variety (weightlifting, aerobics, biking, etc.). Or if you want to keep mainly with the running, vary your distances a bit and go with the easy-hard principle (one easy day followed by one hard day followed by a relatively easy day etc.)

Good luck to you!
Click to view standophish's profile Expert 52 posts since
Apr 12, 2006
5. Feb 13, 2007 5:07 PM in response to: beachgrrl
quote:<HR>Originally posted by beachgrrl:
..fat free vanilla creamer in it, fat free string cheese, shirataki noodles, cucumbers, 94% fat free popcorn, turkey burgers, no bread, no pasta, chicken cutlets rarely...maybe once a month, lots of water, fat free croutons for my salad, fat free dressing, handful of olives, pineapple chunks in can, fat free whipped cream, pistachios, cream of wheat for breakfast, nothing but skim milk, cherry tomatoes.<HR>


Well, you're kinda cancelling out the effects of all that fat-free stuff by eating very high-fat items like olives and pistachios. And what are you putting the whipped cream on anyway, the cucumbres? Weird.

Sounds like a very unhealthy diet cobbled together using a host of fad diet myths and supermarket-tabloid "weight-loss tips". You're probably avoiding bread & pasta b/c it's not "low-carb", yet you are eating plenty of other high-carb items like noodles, cream-of-wheat cereal, croutons (those are bread by the way), popcorn, canned pineapple, whipped cream and coffee creamer. Most "fat-free" items are not reduced-calorie at all, and most add sugar to compensate for the poor taste of fat-free foods.

Basically, it looks like you are eating a lot of overpriced, chemical-and-sugar laden carbohydrates and are severely lacking in leafy greens, lean proteins, fresh fruits and veggies.
Click to view eryn23's profile Pro 75 posts since
Apr 25, 2006
7. Feb 13, 2007 5:30 PM in response to: beachgrrl
beachgrrl~WHOA! I didn't mean to offend you...I thought you were asking for help. I didn't mean to put down your workout routine at all, I just think that for someone who is really trying to lose weight, you are not putting much time into exercise IF that's all you're doing. I'm not saying to go run 6 miles everyday....but you said yourself that your workouts haven't been effective, I was just trying to give a suggestion. Such as weights, maybe even try the elliptical machine...whatever. And I totally agree with what standophish said about your diet, all the "low fat" stuff is mainly junk. maybe if you concentrate on more natural, whole/non-prepackaged foods you would have more luck. Again, not trying to be mean at all, just trying to be helpful. And I'm no expert either by any means, so maybe you should talk to your WW people about food if you are really lost about a daily diet. Good luck!
Click to view annora's profile Pro 68 posts since
Jun 26, 2006
9. Feb 13, 2007 5:41 PM in response to: beachgrrl
quote:<HR>Originally posted by beachgrrl:

I do not do any fad diets. I will admit though that I am really confused by what makes up a food that helps you not gain but lose. I eat a lot of salads, some chicken (once a month) and vegetarian chili. Even though I am not a vegetarian I do gravitate towards non meats because I just don't like the taste of them too often. Are you saying high carbs are bad? I had gone to a dietician and she just confused me by all the ratios you should eat....20 protein 60 carbs 20 fat or something like that. But I have no idea how to combine my foods to come up with this or it if would help me lose weight.
Has anyone tried muscle milk? That seems like it has a good mix of everything and I could get my calories from that?
Thanks!
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no. carbs are not bad.

the point others have been trying to make is you should be eating whole foods, not exclusively "low-fat" this, and "low-calorie" that. eat lean meats and fish, whole grains (such as kamut, quinoa, bulgur, whole wheat, oatmeal and brown rice), lots of green, leafy veggies, and fruit, low-fat dairy, nuts, high-fiber pastas, etc. by limiting yourself to strange food combinations, you're missing out on a bunch of nutrients, and ineffectively fueling your exercise regimen.

and, start lifting weights.

(further, much research has indicated you don't start losing weight from "exercise alone" until your mpw exceeds 25 to 30... you need to eat correctly and healthfully to lose weight... use your treadmill sessions to get fit, instead)
Click to view Ice Cream's profile Legend 602 posts since
Dec 28, 2003
10. Feb 13, 2007 6:43 PM in response to: beachgrrl
I agree that 3 miles is not going to promote much weight loss. The calorie expenditure for a 120 pound woman is about 85-90 cal. per mile. The 100 calorie estimate is based on a 160 pound man.
Focus on vegetables and fruits! Increase the exercise intensity if time is a problem.
Click to view sushik's profile Pro 93 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
11. Feb 13, 2007 7:03 PM in response to: beachgrrl
Hi Beachgrrl - I don't know if you're actually a WW member, or just use the message boards, but if you're familiar with their program, it sounds like you should look at the types of foods that make up the WW Core program - it's a different option to the points-counting plan, and is basically a plan for healthy eating on an ongoing basis as a lifestyle change, rather than dieting. The majority of foods on the Core list are as unprocessed as possible, and you only have to count weekly points for items not on that list. I find that Core is almost identical to the GI Diet (glycemic index) - which is based on keeping your blood sugars level.

Olives and pistachios are good for you, but nuts have a lot of fat, and both of those items are very high cal. There's nothing wrong with having them, along with other full-fat items, you just have to watch your portions.

I'm a WW Lifetime member, although I've recently lapsed and gained back the weight I lost (25 pounds) for a number of reasons. I've been running, around the same amount as you, and the weight is not coming off. I do keep in mind that running 1 mile burns only approximately 100 calories, which gets you about one Oreo Cookie. Gone are the days when I thought I could eat whatever I wanted as long as I was running.

The confusing thing about WW is that according to their program, you earn AP (activity points) for practically anything you do - i say including spitting and going to the bathroom. Which in reality is not the case, for me, or for a lot of other people.

I agree that you should run for fitness, and eat for weight loss. Don't be afraid to vary the food you eat.

Take Care.
Click to view mucho apetito's profile Pro 74 posts since
Jan 18, 2006
12. Feb 13, 2007 7:08 PM in response to: beachgrrl
quote:<HR>Originally posted by annora:
no. carbs are not bad.<HR>


Nothing wrong with a balanced amount of good-quality carbohydrates. Runners need carbs for good performance.

However, Beach Girl seems to be eating way too much of the over-processed empty-calorie type of carbs.

Beachgrll, it took me a long, long time to sort out all the food hype and diet claims, only to find out that eating right really is very simple.

You may also be protein-deficient. Try replacing some of your carb foods with lean proteins, like tuna, grilled chicken, poached eggs, soy protein shakes and cottage cheese. Protein keeps a body feeling full longer, and curbs cravings for snacking.
Click to view muzicgrl's profile Legend 220 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
13. Feb 13, 2007 7:28 PM in response to: beachgrrl
Keep up with the running. Have you been following the C25K program? A lot of people expect to lose weight when they first start running and it rarely happens. The reason is that the small amounts that beginners are able to do is just not enough exercise to lose weight without also changing diet. However, if you keep it up and continue to increase mileage AND eat a healthy low cal diet than you will eventually begin to lose weight.

It doesnt actually sound like you are following the WW plan so I highly advise you to actually join WW. They have a lot of good info on healthy eating. Plus, they teach you how to log your food intake, which is key. Most people are suprised when they see how many cals they actually are consuming compared to what they think they are consuming.

I have lost almost 75 pounds by running and following WW, so it is possible.

**Also, just because something is fat free does not mean it is low cal. A lot of processed food replace fat with sugar, even when you dont expect it.

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Click to view Sandikal's profile Pro 96 posts since
Jan 22, 2007
14. Feb 14, 2007 12:03 PM in response to: beachgrrl
You didn't say how much you're actually eating each day, just the types of foods you're eating.

I joined WW last January and lost about 30 pounds. I completely plateaued though when I reached 150 pounds. It took me 4 months to lose another 5 pounds even though I was following plan diligently and exercising like crazy. (150 pounds was the top of my healthy weight range, but 15 pounds from my ideal weight.)

I started really looking at things and this is what I concluded/discovered:

1. At 150 pounds, your daily points allowance goes down to 20. That's about 1000 calories per day. You can get up to an extra 4 points (200 calories) worth of food through exercise.

2. The number of calories required to maintain my current weight at my level of activity is about 2100 per day.

3. On WW, I was at a 900 calorie per day deficit.

4. Therefore, my metabolism slowed down and I stopped losing weight.

In November, I finally quit WW. It hit me in the head that I shouldn't keep doing something that wasn't working. I now eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm full. I eat whole grains and nuts and dairy and all kinds of healthy foods that I had cut out when I was dieting. If I want a piece of chocolate, I eat it and don't feel guilty. I find that when I go for quality, I need less quantity.

Out of curiosity, I kept a food diary for a few days last week. At the end of the day, I calculated my calories. I consistently ate 1850-1950 calories each day. Now, I haven't lost any weight since I stopped dieting. But, I haven't gained any either. I started the Couch to 5K program three weeks ago so I'd have a way to get in some exercise on days when I can't go to the gym. Hopefully, when I'm able to run a few days a week in addition to what I'm doing now, I'll start losing again.

BTW, I'm 45 years old and it's not a myth that it's harder to lose weight in your forties. It's not impossible, but I have to work a lot harder than I did twenty years ago.


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