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Click to view kponds's profile Pro 100 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

Dec 26, 2007 4:12 AM

Too many beans?

It occured to me that my diet may be unbalanced.

I am on an "eat what I feel like" diet, so my habits change all the time, recently I have been keeping a mental note, and I eat approximately six servings of beans per day.

Is this bad? Other dietary staples are whole grains (mainly oats, either as porridge or in smoothies, also brown rice and probably too much air-popped popcorn), spinach, berries, oranges and apples, soy milk, and vegetable oil.

I'm not a vegan, but I don't include dairy/eggs/meat in my "staple diet." For example, I go out to eat every two weeks or so and may eat meat. Convenience is a huge factor in what I eat, and preparing meat doesn't fit that. I'm lactose intolerant and too lazy to cook eggs.


So yeah, I usually have a can of chickpeas (drained and rinsed, I hope that mitagates some of the sodium) tossed with olive oil for lunch, and black bean soup for dinner. Both of those are about three servings each, in the amounts that I eat them.

I guess what I'm worried about is the protein quality. I know beans are missing an amino acid, which is found in grains, but am I eating enough grain to make up for it? I have about five servings of whole grains per day. Other than beans/grains, my only real protein source is 2 servings of soy milk per day.

My macronutrient breakdown is about 60/20/20 carbs/protein/fat, which I am happy with. A day for me usually comes down about like this: seven servings of whole grains, three servings of fruit, four servings of vegetables, two servings of soy milk, six servings of beans, and a serving or two of oil or natural peanut butter.

Am I overanalyzing? Or should I be in fear of not having enough protein quality?


Also for the peanut gallery: My bowels are dealing with it just fine.



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Click to view Ariann092's profile Legend 681 posts since
Jan 4, 2005
1. Feb 21, 2007 9:28 PM in response to: kponds
You have a FANTASTIC diet and you should not be concerned about eating too many beans unless the volume is preventing you from getting enough calories. Assuming you get 6 servings of canned beans a day, that's roughly 36 grams of protein from beans. Two servings of soy milk would add about 14 grams. You've already reached your RDA for protein in that amount. I've read that vegans (even though you're not a philosophical vegan, your regular diet is vegan) should aim for 20% greater than RDA in protein just in case there's an imbalance in amino acids, which means for an average woman you'd be aiming for 60g. However, most vegetarians have the OPPOSITE problem as you, which is that they eat too many grains and not enough beans, meaning their diets could be low in lysine.

Grains and beans are not missing any essential amino acids, but they are lower in certain amino acids than a similar amount of meat protein would be (or the "ideal" egg). Beans are lower in sulfur-containing amino acids. You seem to have them really well balanced. It's hard to guess how many grams of protein would be in your servings of whole grains because there's a lot of variation in grains, but if you're getting 20% of your calories from protein, you are definitely getting enough and your diet is seriously beyond ideal.

The only thing I'd be worried about is variety - try to mix up the beans, grains, and veggies. Good easy-to-find canned beans are: kidney, pinto, and white (great northern, navy). You can buy frozen soy beans (edamame). Grains: barley, millet, wheat berries, triticale, rye, quinoa (a higher protein grain), and whole wheat pasta/bread. Any kind of green veggies are a good addition: broccoli, cabbage, swiss chard, kale, collard greens, dandelion greens, and then any kind of colorful veggies (carrots, peppers, squashes, sweet potatoes) and whatever fruits' in season. Try to pick olive oil or canola oil for cooking. Hemp seed oil, flax oil, and walnuts would help balance out your fat consumption towards the Omega-3 side (generic vegetable oil is generally very high in Omega-6 so not the best choice).
Click to view wetfeetl33t's profile Pro 91 posts since
Sep 10, 2006
2. Feb 21, 2007 9:37 PM in response to: kponds
I think many experts would qualify beans as a "superfood", so no, there is nothing wrong with eating a lot of beans. However, they are not complete protein, so you need to eat something else, like corn or grain to make up for it. You mentioned soy milk (which also comes from legumes). I've heard that some lactose intolerant people can handle certain dairy products, which is complete protein.

I guess what I'm saying is that variety is the spice of life. Beans are great, but don't let them crowd out other foods, like lean meats (like turkey breast, which is very convenient) fruits, vegetables and whole grains, eggs, nuts, etc.

I think you're over analyzing. You're diet is quite healthy (similar to mine, in fact), and you're body would tell you if it was unhealthy.
Click to view teetime's profile Legend 459 posts since
Aug 17, 2002
3. Feb 21, 2007 10:23 PM in response to: kponds
You might be overanalyzing but I have found recently (over the past few years that is) that there can be too much of a good thing.

Not to give you my entire story but I am a phase eater. During more than one carrot/tomato phase I have become very orange (not a health risk but a sign to me that I'm over doing it).

More recently and more seriously, I am quite sure (through lots of long term experimentation) that I screwed with my thyriod functioning by eating way too many daily servings of veggies from the cruciferous family (broc, cauli, brussels, turnips, cabbage, etc). (Note, things are back to normal and though I will eat some of these again, the serving sizes are small and not more than a few times a week.)

SO, point being ... someone might say ... you can't have too much of xyz but in truth, I believe strongly that a varied diet is the best thing we can all do for ourselves (trust me I'm not perfect with this and I won't even go into my distaste for breakfast).

I would try to not have the same full can of chickpeas each day. And I would try to have more than spinach for my veggies ... yellow veggies, red veggies, purple veggies, all these things are needed too.
Click to view adr047's profile Amateur 15 posts since
Jan 15, 2007
4. Feb 21, 2007 10:33 PM in response to: kponds
Unless they are keeping you from trying new and exciting foods, I wouldn't worry. I've been eating a lot of Brussel sprouts lately.
Click to view teetime's profile Legend 459 posts since
Aug 17, 2002
6. Dec 26, 2007 4:12 AM in response to: kponds
quote:<HR>Originally posted by kponds:
So, is there any nutritional reason to have lots of variety, providing I have a well-balanced diet, or is it purely psychological? For me, it would just be easier to have as little variety as I can (I know this is weird...).

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Yes, there is a huge nutritional reason to have variety. As much as we know about nutrition ... we also know very little. Variety means you will be exposed to a host of different anti oxidants, vitamins, minerals, etc. Lack of variety means you will be exposed to very high quantities of a selection of these.

Lots of things are great in moderation that are not great in excess. And lots of things work in concert and are absorbed best in the presence of other things.

For every theory on a life saving vitamin/mineral/fat etc there is a theory about why it may not be good ... (see the article Icecream posted about a week ago) ... so what could be safer than having a bit of everything but not too much of one thing?
Click to view Ariann092's profile Legend 681 posts since
Jan 4, 2005
7. Feb 22, 2007 11:25 AM in response to: kponds
I agree with teetime except for adding two things:

a) Lack of variety does really help people control food intake - the more variety we see, the more we will eat, even when we're not hungry. You've found the key to weight loss and done an incredible job, so maybe you should stick with this method if it works for you.

b) Traditional cultures tend to have very restricted diets and are often the model by which we should compare ourselves in terms of health. The longest living people, the Okinawans, for example, eat a very limited variety of food. Similarly, the real (not the diet book kind) "Mediterranean" diet tends to be very narrowly focused.

HOWEVER, each of these diets contains seasonal variability, which enables them to be exposed to a larger variety of vegetables, fruits and grains and ups the nutrition of their diets. The same thing could be done for a diet that generally contains a very limited number of foods, but tries to contain foods that are seasonal (for your area, of course). This is also a much cheaper way to eat - I know berries are pretty darn expensive this time of the year. So when berries are in season, you might eat cups of them every day, but when peaches and plums are in season you might pick those instead. It's just a thought. I think your diet is pretty darn good the way it is now and far surpasses most people's.
Click to view teetime's profile Legend 459 posts since
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8. Feb 22, 2007 12:03 PM in response to: kponds
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ariann:
I agree with teetime except for adding two things:

a) Lack of variety does really help people control food intake - the more variety we see, the more we will eat, even when we're not hungry.

b) Okinawans, for example, eat a very limited variety of food. Similarly, the real (not the diet book kind) "Mediterranean" diet tends to be very narrowly focused.
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Well I agree with you that the poster is certainly doing something right and that it could be much worse.

I have also read about the lack of variety studies but thought they applied to specific meals versus life in general (e.g. one will eat more dessert if at a buffet with 3 different cakes than if at a sit down meal where only one type of cake is offered).

Ariann, did you read the NYtime article Icecream posted last week. It was really interesting and noted that we can't make much of studies on Mediterranean and Okinawan diets and health as the people studied also live such different lives than our own (e.g. fewer video games and cars, more movement etc)
Click to view Ariann092's profile Legend 681 posts since
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9. Feb 22, 2007 2:59 PM in response to: kponds
quote:<HR>Originally posted by teetime:
Well I agree with you that the poster is certainly doing something right and that it could be much worse.

I have also read about the lack of variety studies but thought they applied to specific meals versus life in general (e.g. one will eat more dessert if at a buffet with 3 different cakes than if at a sit down meal where only one type of cake is offered).

Ariann, did you read the NYtime article Icecream posted last week. It was really interesting and noted that we can't make much of studies on Mediterranean and Okinawan diets and health as the people studied also live such different lives than our own (e.g. fewer video games and cars, more movement etc)
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If at every specific meal you have excessive choices the effect would logically be cumulative. Granted, maybe nobody's done studies on the cumulative effects of such things yet, but that doesn't make it untrue. I have certainly found it to be the case that a less varied diet leads to less eating which leads to weight loss and I think that's pretty common among dieters. The key is to stop looking at food as the next thing you get to try or the interesting thing that will be served at the next meal. An unvaried diet doesn't have to be boring, but making food exciting by adding variety is a great way to convince your brain to let you eat more than you should.

Lifestyle factors are always lifestyle factors. Just because we should play fewer video games and walk more doesn't mean studies on people who didn't have the exact same lifestyle as ours are meaningless. We wouldn't be able to study anything because we can't control any of those issues effectively. But I don't think we should eat like Okinawans, I think we should eat like Americans and focus on the traditional cuisine of the Americas. So what's always on our minds when we're choosing what to eat should be (in my opinion): what's seasonal HERE, what's traditional HERE - that's necessarily going to limit variety, because we're not talking anymore about being able to get blueberries year round. Beans, corn, squash, some grains and a good variety of greens and fruit are certainly things America has going for it nutritionally, so we get to pick from good choices.
Click to view DavidD063's profile Legend 361 posts since
Jan 25, 2007
10. Feb 24, 2007 11:10 AM in response to: kponds
Food variety is important to help assure nutritional needs. It's as simple as that. I'm not referring to junk food (including processed foods which is what most people eat too much of), but to real food -- vegetables, fruits, meats, nuts, seeds, etc. The more variety the less risk of inadequate nutrition. This is how most animals on earth eat, and how humans evolved.
Click to view DavidD063's profile Legend 361 posts since
Jan 25, 2007
11. Feb 24, 2007 11:55 AM in response to: kponds
...oh...back to the topic...too many beans?...
they're not a good source of protein. Not to pick on you, but if you're too lazy to cook eggs that could mean you're too lazy to eat right, which is a big issue.
Click to view doug484's profile Amateur 10 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
12. Feb 24, 2007 12:01 PM in response to: kponds
I've always thought beans were good for you - don't they help tremendously with fartlek runs?

Doug
Click to view Ariann092's profile Legend 681 posts since
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13. Feb 24, 2007 2:18 PM in response to: kponds
quote:<HR>Originally posted by DavidD:
...oh...back to the topic...too many beans?...
they're not a good source of protein. Not to pick on you, but if you're too lazy to cook eggs that could mean you're too lazy to eat right, which is a big issue.
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I have no idea why you would say beans are not a good source of protein. Beans are a great source of protein. Containing 25% or more calories from protein would classify beans as a darn good source. The USDA calls beans an "excellent" source of protein.
Click to view nursem's profile Amateur 9 posts since
Nov 9, 2005
14. Feb 24, 2007 2:35 PM in response to: kponds
I'm a huge fan of Canada's Food Guide(CFG) as a healthy diet. It's a healthy living guideline, not a lose weight diet. But if you follow it and are trying to lose weight you should. The US has something very similar but I can't remember what it is called. It is the food pyramid maybe.

Beans fit into a balanced diet in the meat and legumes portion of CFG. A serving of legumes is 3/4 cup and they recommend 2-3 servings depending on your age and gender. Beans are very healthy. Great source of protein for vegetarians.

Variety is important because it gives your body a chance to get all the nutrients you need. This doesn't mean you have to eat every type of food out there, but you should try not to eat the same meal every time every day every week. Mix it up a little.

As far as fruits and vegetables - Fruits are fine, but you should choose green and colorful vegetables more often. They are higher in nutrient value and lower in sugar.

Portion size is important to pay attention to. Here in North America portion sizes of everything have grown incredibly. Sometimes when you look at what portion size you should be eating you'll be astounded.

A low glycemic index (GI) diet is healthy as well. The canadian diabetes association has info on it. It is basically more recommendations on how to choose foods and meals to keep you blood glucose stable. This is important for diabetics but other individuals will reap health benefits as well.

The most important part of a healthy diet though is enjoyment. You have to enjoy what you are eating or doing in order to stick with it.