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Click to view BWrunbabe09's profile Expert 47 posts since
Sep 17, 2006

Mar 25, 2007 8:01 PM

Are Vegetarians faster runners than those who eat meat?

I've read somewhere that becoming vegetarian improves your race times. Does eating plant protein instead of animal really improve speed?
Click to view BMRXC2008's profile Amateur 34 posts since
Oct 27, 2006
1. Mar 25, 2007 8:03 PM in response to: BWrunbabe09
??? Never heard of that one, very interesting. I think it would be best to get meat in the diet for amino acids not found in plants.
Click to view rossoneri's profile Amateur 23 posts since
Mar 22, 2007
2. Mar 25, 2007 9:05 PM in response to: BWrunbabe09
im a vegetarian and im fairly fast but eating meat has anything to do with it. there is no way it could. in fact im guessing that meat is probably better fuel just because it takes much longer for the body to digest it therefore making the energy more spread out.
Click to view YogaBug's profile Pro 104 posts since
Jan 17, 2007
3. Mar 26, 2007 7:05 AM in response to: BWrunbabe09
I don't think any specific diet alone can improve running times. I'm sure a healthy vegetarian diet coupled with good training can improve running times, but so can a healthy diet that includes meat coupled with good training...
Click to view actonrunner's profile Pro 70 posts since
Dec 30, 2002
4. Mar 26, 2007 8:54 AM in response to: BWrunbabe09
quote:<HR>Originally posted by BWrunbabe09:
I've read somewhere that becoming vegetarian improves your race times. Does eating plant protein instead of animal really improve speed?<HR>


I'd be interested in seeing any scientific (read: peer-reviewed) article that backs this up. I suspect you'd be hard-pressed to find one.
You might also want to look at a list of world record holders as a quick sanity check.

Here's a nice article about Paula Radcliffe's diet, for example, with the title:
'Red meat keeps me on my feet'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2003/03/31/hiron31.xml[/URL" target="_blank">
Click to view Augie053's profile Pro 160 posts since
Sep 1, 1999
5. Mar 26, 2007 9:39 AM in response to: BWrunbabe09
I don't see how it could matter: no food is magic. Your body has needs for certain nutrients - if it gets them, it will be the best it can be, fast and strong with good endurance. If it doesn't, it won't. A lot of vegetarians are really junkatarians. A lot of omnivores are garbagivores. I will say that when I became vegan getting all my nurtrients has proved more of a challenge, but after getting the kinks worked out I feel better than I did as a meat-eater. I can only speak for myself, though. YMMV.
Click to view YogaBug's profile Pro 104 posts since
Jan 17, 2007
7. Dec 26, 2007 4:22 AM in response to: BWrunbabe09
quote:<HR>Originally posted by BWrunbabe09:
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i want to become vegan but im afraid it would be really difficult in a family who loves meat and cheese...

is it weird for a 15 year old girl to want to become a vegan?

i read an article on the treatment of market animals and it really disturbed me....

Am I just asking for trouble? (iron deficiency, not enough vitamin D, so on......)
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In all honesty, I don't think you want to ask this question on this forum. You're going to get a lot of responses from people who frankly know nothing about a vegan diet, but maybe do have some stereotypes about what it means. Please seek out advice from vegans if you are interested. I frequent a vegan forum at http://www.theppk.com[/URL" target="_blank">, where if you ask this exact questions you'll get good answers. There are several other good boards out there as well.

With that said...I'll give my 2 cents to answer your question...

It's definitely not weird for a 15 year old to want to become vegan...I think it's great that you are interested in taking that step at a young age (and there are tons of people out there your age who are vegan). If you know what nutrients you are getting, you aren't asking for trouble. There is certainly a learning curve, but once you get past that, it's no more trouble than trying to eat a healthy diet that includes animal products. The only nutrient I really worry about getting enough of is B-12, and that's easily supplemented by drinking fortified soy milk (other other fortified foods) or taking a supplement once a day.

For what it's worth...I'm not a vegan, but wish I could say I was...and I do eat vegan most of the time. I probably will end up vegan at some point in my life, but at this point, I'm not ready to make the last step. I've learned a lot about myself, my health, and my impact on the earth through the journey, and I hope you do too! Good luck!

http://This message has been edited by YogaBug (edited Mar-26-2007).
Click to view kspowell's profile Legend 266 posts since
Jul 8, 2004
8. Mar 26, 2007 12:29 PM in response to: BWrunbabe09
After a quick scan of the posts, I was surprised to see that the iron topic did not come up. I think that the Paula Radcliffe red meat article probably alluded to that, but I admit I did not read it.

I am a non-meat eater myself, so don't take this the wrong way.

Animal protein sources (especially red meat and organ meat) contain a form of iron (heme iron) that is more bioavailable than what you'll find in vitamins, supplements, and iron-fortified foods (breads, pastas, cereals, granola bars, etc). Iron is absolutely important concerning running performance.

I do not think there's a difference in where you obtain your protein. Vegans may have a bit of difficulty obtaining enough protein to fuel a running lifestyle, but as a vegetarian, I have no problem at all obtaining 1.5 grams per kilo BW on a daily basis. I don't even use a lot of soy protein. I am a dairy and peanut butter lover, however! As far as essential amino acids are concerned, vegans/vegetarians should have no trouble assembling a diet with complementary proteins unless they eat only a very monotonous diet (the same single food, all day every day, for instance).

Getting adequate iron is by far the larger issue when comparing veg and meat. I'd advise any active, vegetarian, of the age when they should be menstruating to have their iron status checked.

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Click to view reboot's profile Legend 398 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
9. Mar 26, 2007 6:32 PM in response to: BWrunbabe09
It is inappropriate for a 15 year old female to be encouraged to pursue a Vegan diet, particularly one making the enquiry on a running forum and expressing absolutely no purpose in the pursuit. It is extremely unlikely a 15 y/o will have the understanding or judgement to responsibly manage such a diet. It is also extremely unlikely she would have the social or economic independence to properly pursue such a diet. And finally, it is an extremely dangerous diet in a member of the exact demographic that is at greatest risk for abusing such a diet.

I am sure the Vegetarian community would very much like to promote this dietary practise but to do so under the circumstances presented here amounts to irresponsibility and negligence.

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Click to view merigayle's profile Legend 1,586 posts since
Aug 15, 2007
10. Mar 27, 2007 6:17 AM in response to: BWrunbabe09
I became a vegetarian at age 13, vegan at age 16, now mostly vegan, but not strict. I am 28yo now. Not unusual.

SUper Ultrarunning star Scott Jurek is vegan and he shatters world records left and right. It all depends on how you do your diet. There is a right way and a wrong way. there are many non-animal sources to get iron and most of the negative comments made about a vegetarian or vegan diet are made by people who are ignorant of the facts, or people who themselves failed at a proper vegan or vegetarian diet. beans are probably the best source of iron in a vegan diet, as well as leafy dark greens. See the below link for a chart of vegan foods that contain iron.

Here is a good link:
Dried beans and dark green leafy vegetables are especially good sources of iron, even better on a per calorie basis than meat. Iron absorption is increased markedly by eating foods containing vitamin C along with foods containing iron. Vegetarians do not have a higher incidence of iron deficiency than do meat eaters.
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.htm[/URL" target="_blank">
Click to view kspowell's profile Legend 266 posts since
Jul 8, 2004
11. Mar 27, 2007 6:36 AM in response to: BWrunbabe09
quote:<HR>Originally posted by merigayle:
Dried beans and dark green leafy vegetables are especially good sources of iron, even better on a per calorie basis than meat. Iron absorption is increased markedly by eating foods containing vitamin C along with foods containing iron. Vegetarians do not have a higher incidence of iron deficiency than do meat eaters.
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.htm[/URL" target="_blank">
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Certainly not a biased website (Insert sarcasm here. Hint: vrg stands for vegetarian resource group). I will agree that beans have more iron than meat on a per calorie basis. I will dispute that all forms of iron are created equal (e.g. heme vs. non-heme). And in this case, quality does trump quantity.



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Click to view YogaBug's profile Pro 104 posts since
Jan 17, 2007
12. Mar 27, 2007 7:10 AM in response to: BWrunbabe09
quote:<HR>Originally posted by reboot:
It is inappropriate for a 15 year old female to be encouraged to pursue a Vegan diet, particularly one making the enquiry on a running forum and expressing absolutely no purpose in the pursuit.

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She expressly said she was disturbed by meat market practices, which would be her purpose. There is certainly nothing wrong with that purpose. With family support (which she won't know if she has until she talks to her family), there is no reason why a 15 year-old can't pursue a healthy vegan diet. If she was living on the streets alone, perhaps I would have a different answer. Just becuse she is only 15, doesn't mean she lacks judgment to make decisions on her own.

To the OP, if you do decide to explore further, I would encourage you to speak with your family as well as a nutritionist. Get a panel done of your nutrient levels now and make sure everything is ok. Get advice and read a lot! And ignore negative comments...you need to decide what is best for you, whichever path that may be.
Click to view Augie053's profile Pro 160 posts since
Sep 1, 1999
14. Mar 27, 2007 1:00 PM in response to: BWrunbabe09
B-12 you pretty much have to get from supplements; there are no reliable plant sources for this.
As for protein, I regularly top 70 g per day by eating tofu, gardenburgers, beans and whole grains. If you aren't interested in being vegan but just vegetarian, you have eggs and dairy as options as well: eggs are a great protein source, and when I was vegetarian I used to eat a cup of plain yogurt every day (on cereal with a banana - yum!).
I rely on a supplement to round out my iron since I've had a tendency to anemia in the past. You can get good vegetarian multivitamins at most health food stores (or places like Whole Foods, Wild Oats, New Seasons - if there are any vegetarian groceries in your area run by 7th Day Adventists, those are great. Most 7th Day Adventists are vegetarians, so those stores are goldmines of vegetarian products.).