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Click to view Cassey056's profile Rookie 1 posts since
Jul 19, 2007

Jul 19, 2007 1:33 PM

A growing runner in need of advice on protein/fat intake.

Hello everyone. I guess before I start stating my questions i'll begin by saying a few things about myself...

Right now i'm a 15 male who's 5ft 9" and currently ways 123 lbs. I'm currently training for cross country (running anywhere from 3.5-8.5 miles a day ontop of a tennis camp which isn't too rigorous 6 days a week.. avging 36 m per 6 days) and have found myself in a bit of a jam with a variety of things. After talking to my parents about what and when I should be eating they flat out told me... "If you're hungry eat, eat untill you aren't hungry any more, and eat what you feel like." This I know can not be right as eating just anything isn't exactly the best plan in the world.

I'm not worried about losing weight since in truth i'll be growing and I should be gaining weight as well as more muscle as my training regiment increases in the fallowing months. (Xc-indoor track-outdoor track) My dilemma is I don't know what the best way to go about gaining muscle mass is and if I should be taking in more protein as well as more fat.

Most people have suggested eating alot more protein and carbs which I can see as reasonable advice. I've recently started drinking whei protein shakes (Something around 1.5 cups of milk 2 cups of ice 1-2 servings of peanut butter and 1-2 whei servings along with a carnation breakfast pack.. it fills 1.5-2 large glasses) which offers me a lot of vitamins and minerals (anywhere from 40-70% of a variety of them) and offers alot of protein.

From the nutrition info on the back of the things i'm using though it seems as if whenever I up my protien intake I also up my fat intake. This is where I begin to question my diet. I know that fat is necessary for a healthy diet, but exactly how much do I need? After reading the info on the whei protein container it says I should have 1 gram of protein per 1 lb of body mass. Does their happen to be a formula like this for my fat intake??

Basically I guess i'm just questioning how much I should be eating and when. I'm currently running either in the morning (7 am) or in the afternoon (7pm) and my tennis camp is from 11 am-1 pm. I find myself barely feeling hungry ever. In truth I think I have forgotten what hunger feels like (as odd as that may sound) I've been eating a serving of cereal w/o milk in the morning and a glass of water when I run at 7 am than once I come back from my run I have my protein shake and another serving of cereal. Than I just rehydrate myself before tennis. After tennis though, when I should be feeling hungry for lunch I still feel no hunger so I have myself a granola bar filled with fruit, sometimes another protein shake or just a glass of diluted gatorade, and a salad with random veggies thrown on top. As I continue through my day I still barely get hungry (which i'm guessing isn't because i'm eating to much, just because I eat smaller bits of food, sort of like semi-meals before I get hungry) but I'll snack on some berries, some toast with jam maybe have an apple with peanutbutter. Than i'll eat my dinner (which always has 1 piece of meat, ie pork, chicken, or steak) and have one last protein shake, usually accompanied by some time of fruit, veggie, or carb and head to bed.

I figure this gives me a steady amount of fruit, veggies, carbs, and protein which is good. I just wonder if this is enough, if i'm over doing it on the whei protein shakes, and if the lack of hunger as well as the lack of feeling bloated is a good thing.

Just to sum things up incase any of you would like to skip the above post (which I admit is extremely long ^^) i'll just post some questions down here...

-How much fat/protein is necessary for a diet?
-Are there any ways of getting protein without fat as well?
-What ways are their to build muscle, and do they include eating substantial amounts of protein?
-How long should I wait till I eat after running on a normal day?
-What is the best snack for long lasting energy throughout the day??

Thanks for the help in advance!! I really appreciate it as I currently have few people to go to for information like this.
Click to view mybell's profile Rookie 1 posts since
Apr 3, 2007
1. Jul 19, 2007 2:21 PM in response to: Cassey056
How much fat/protein is necessary for a diet?
- You would want around .4gr x bw (.4 x 123= 49 grams ) since you are young and growing 60gr of healthy fats a day wouldn't be too much. Olive oil, fish oil, nuts and nut butters, udo's oil, oily fish eg. salmon. should be your main fat intake

-Are there any ways of getting protein without fat as well?
Lean types of protein: chicken and turkey, egg whites, fish, lean beef, low fat dairy products.and beans

-What ways are their to build muscle, and do they include eating substantial amounts of protein?
Actually if you are looking to build muscle, it's based more on calories then protein. Once you get to 1 or 1.5 gr per bw the protein won't do anything to actually build muscle. When you are trying to build or bulk carbs are your friend.
Make sure you are getting adquate carbs in your diet to fuel your workouts. Also, you can't build muscle if you aren't lifting weights.

-How long should I wait till I eat after running on a normal day?
- Optimum timing would be within 30mins.

-What is the best snack for long lasting energy throughout the day??
- to feel full longer eat protein and fats. say a snack could be cottage cheese, and apple and an ounce of almonds.
Click to view Ariann092's profile Legend 681 posts since
Jan 4, 2005
2. Jul 19, 2007 3:22 PM in response to: Cassey056
If you're eating a generally healthy diet (choosing from healthy foods - mybell gave you some good ideas), your parents' advice to eat when you're hungry and stop eating when you're not hungry anymore is really very good advice. It's unusual for teenage boys to not be hungry enough to eat sufficiently, particularly if they're doing a lot of exercise. If you want to build muscle you have to stress the muscle, usually by strength training, and then you have to eat enough calories, particularly carbs! I wouldn't be so worried about getting enough protein, if you eat a normal diet there's no real reason to stress the protein or take protein shakes, you're probably getting plenty in your diet - the extra really will not help you. Also, don't freak out about eating too much fat; fat is really a necessary component of the diet and many sources of fat offer other benefits as well. The best choices for more fat in the diet are plant sources - nuts and fatty fruit are particularly good.

If you feel like you're really overwhelmed about making healthy choices, it would be a good idea to ask your parents if you can all visit a nutritionist together to give your whole family great ideas about how to eat healthfully and how to eat to support your athleticism.

As an aside, I know a family with a teenage son who's a wrestler. Going into their home during wrestling season is like going into a pharmacy - the entire dining room table is filled with supplements ("muscle milk," whey protein, etc.). Whatever happened to food?
Click to view Radar Runner's profile Amateur 11 posts since
Jun 20, 2008
3. Jun 20, 2008 10:23 PM in response to: Cassey056
Comming from another runner who is fairly young and is into relatively the same situations as yourself, you seem to be a very skinny invidividual. There is nothing wrong with this yet I know people who are 5'7" and 125 lbs and they are considered a normal weight with fat/muscle into the equation. This could mean that you are not strength training (lifting weights or other thing along those lines). To tell you the truth you are wasting alot of money drinking all the protein shakes after not even doing physical activity. This stuff is not cheap and if you are not stressing your body, you end up processing the protein without actually utilizing it. Being that you are relatively young, there is no reason for you to be worried about the fat considering that you are already underweight and are attempting to "get muscle". You need fat in order to gain the muscle mass that you are trying to get as well as carbs to fuel your meals. I wouldn't worry to much about what you are eating and alot of the people in this thread have given you some good information about the carbs and such. Honestly though; you are wasting protein shakes if your consuming as many as you are throughout the day; they are expensive and they do nothing for you if you are not utilizing them after physical activity. Protein shakes are made for strength training mainly; ALTHOUGH they will help you with running; it is not essential, and you can gain more nutritional value eating high protein/fat content after running. This would be perhaps lunch meat, eggs, poultry, other things along those lines. I hope that this gives you some direction to your dilemma, and best of luck.

Reguards.