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Click to view dragonsrouges's profile Legend 1,068 posts since
Aug 16, 2007
15. Sep 13, 2007 4:08 PM in response to: bronwyn042
Two things that works for me, without too much monitoring or restricting of food intake are a)Eat your carbs right after training, preferably in the AM. Eat more veggies and protein in the evening with small servings of carbs. b) very important: Go out and walk after eating supper (as opposed to staying home and eventually going to bed). Start with 30 minutes. Eat supper early. I sometimes eat supper at work before going home so that I don`t eat too late. OF course that depends on your family situation, my bf works till 10pm so I`m pretty much on my own for dinner.
Click to view JackieLeigh's profile Expert 51 posts since
Aug 2, 2007
16. Sep 13, 2007 6:41 PM in response to: bronwyn042
I just read the IE book and have been doing it for about 3 days now. So far so good. it IS hard, especially after dieting for so long.

The hardest thing for me is determining when I am full. I know I "overate" at dinner, but I am learning...one step at a time
Click to view runrgrl1's profile Legend 237 posts since
May 16, 2002
17. Sep 13, 2007 7:38 PM in response to: bronwyn042
I can usually drop a few pounds just by cutting out junk food and desserts. I'll sub in veggies for the chips, and yogurt for dessert if I want any, or eat a wholesome night time snack INSTEAD of dessert. I was in the habit of grabbing chips here & there while making dinner (and with dinner, too), then having ice cream every single night. I found if I drank a glass of skim milk w/ dinner I wasn't even hungry for dessert. It really wasn't that hard and I didn't feel like I was starving to death.
Click to view AmberYudell5's profile Pro 132 posts since
Feb 3, 2006
18. Sep 17, 2007 6:22 AM in response to: bronwyn042
eat like a child or animal...basic intuitive eating. if you give either one a bowl of food for the day they will only take what they need when they need it.
Click to view reboot's profile Legend 398 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
19. Sep 17, 2007 7:42 AM in response to: bronwyn042
I think I would be the size of a house if I tried intuitive eating. Intuitively, most people have been genetically programmed to eat as much as possible whenever food is available and to extract the maximum and store the surplus as fat. I do a fine job.

In a modern world, there is not much alternative to watching your intake. Eating healthy foods is not a solution in itself. It is easy to get very fat on healthy food. Furthermore, many foods currently thought of as 'healthy' are little more than junk food. Items like 'energy bars', protein bars/shakes, sports drinks, and even most smoothies are little more than junkie snacks that pack on the pounds.

I have nothing against junkie snacks but they should be a treat, not part of out eating plan.

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Click to view Biophilia's profile Pro 171 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
20. Sep 17, 2007 8:38 AM in response to: bronwyn042
quote:<HR>Originally posted by reboot:
I think I would be the size of a house if I tried intuitive eating. Intuitively, most people have been genetically programmed to eat as much as possible whenever food is available and to extract the maximum and store the surplus as fat. I do a fine job.

<HR>


I don't think intuitive eating means you should eat as much as you want but rather as much as you feel you need without still being hungry. I can surely eat a whole chocolate cake right now but I intuitively know I don't need the calories.
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21. Sep 17, 2007 10:26 AM in response to: bronwyn042
quote:<HR>Originally posted by yellowlamp:
eat like a child or animal...basic intuitive eating. if you give either one a bowl of food for the day they will only take what they need when they need it.<HR>


But there are lots of dogs who overeat and lots of dogs who starve themselves. There are also lots of children who it won't occur to to eat (because they don't know how to interpret their getting increasingly crabby to being hungry) or, if you put something in front of them that they think is worth eating, will eat several meals worth it at once. I think the problem with intuitive eating is that our bodies did not come to be in an environment where three meals a day of a variety of foods was a reality and we often went hungry and then gorged ourselves. We also couldn't just eat whatever we "felt" like, so I don't know why we'd think that our bodies somehow KNOW what is supposed to go into them. I'd think just the opposite.
Click to view Biophilia's profile Pro 171 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
22. Sep 17, 2007 10:57 AM in response to: bronwyn042
The position paper of the ADA on Weight Management states:

Diet and Lifestyle Modifications
There exists a continuum in philosophy and clinical practice as
to what extent externally controlled modification of weight
status should be attempted (58,59). This continuum ranges
from complete reliance on internal control to increased external
structural supports provided by the prescription of diets,
meal plans and exercise protocols. Internally regulated approaches
are referred to by various names including nondieting,
normalized eating, or intuitive eating. These approaches
are based on an assumption that the body knows best and have
in common that they urge that food intake be guided by
internal clues to hunger and satiety. There may be great
variability among individuals in the extent to which they are
able to perceive and act upon internal cues. Lengthy intervention
may be required to learn to perceive internal signals of
hunger and satiety and to develop the trust to allow these
signals to guide food intake. Emotional associations with food
and eating complicate the sensations that offer internal guidance;
when these associations are extreme, therapy for emotional
issues is indicated. The body?s regulatory systems resist
changes in fatness by adjusting control systems. In addition,
there may be a failure of the regulatory system in the body that
controls either hunger or satiety or both, making it difficult for
an individual to rely on this method. Internal regulation of food
intake is most often used with patients who are seeking to
stabilize their weight and to address other issues associated
with their eating and weight. Programs that have utilized it
have demonstrated short-term improvements in self-esteem,
body image, and other parameters associated with psychological
well-being (53,60). Long-term, randomized, controlled
studies with sufficient numbers of participants are not available
to validate this approach.
Moderate or mixed approaches promote internally guided
eating in combination with limited external guidance systems.
Based on the observation that internal guidance of food behavior
is difficult given most peoples? experiences and environment,
this moderate approach provides structural supports
even while urging that individuals respond to their own cues of
hunger and satiety. There is no available data to support the
proposition that adults experience food or nutrient-specific
appetites that lead infallibly to a balanced diet. Readily available
foods tend to be high in fat, calories, salt, and sugar,
making the consumption of such foods more likely. A moderate
approach would teach patients to provide themselves with
high volume, nutrient-dense but not calorie-dense foods in a
balanced array and to then allow their hunger and satiety to
guide them in choosing quantities. Teaching awareness of
one?s eating, both the amount eaten and the sensations produced,
is important. This approach emphasizes moderation,
balance, and common sense and should reduce feelings of
deprivation (61). It is most often accompanied by advice
concerning exercise, stress management, and self-acceptance.
The outcomes of these approaches depend upon the original
goals. Theoretically, such a moderated approach should lead to
changes in eating and exercise behaviors that can be sustained
and will lead to slow continued weight losses. There has been
little documentation of the long-term effectiveness of this
combined approach. However, data from the Continuing Survey
of Food Intakes by Individuals 1994-1996 was analyzed to
look at dietary patterns and selected measures of nutritional
status and Body Mass Index. This analysis found that individuals
on a moderate fat, high-carbohydrate diet as recommended
by the Food Pyramid Guide were more likely to maintain
weight loss (62).
Externally based systems range from severe caloric restriction,
very low calorie diets (< 800 calories per day), to lowcalorie
diets (estimated energy expenditure minus 500-1,000
calories per day) to guide food intake. These systems are based
on the assumption that not all individuals are able to internally
control their food intake to the extent of achieving a healthier
weight and therefore must rely on external guidance and
increased structural supports. Data regarding severe energy
restricted diets, such as very low calorie diets (VLCDs), show
that despite the short-term success of achieving significant
weight losses, there is poor long-term maintenance of losses
(63). It has been well documented that use of the low-calorie
diets, typical of a modified approach, can produce mean weight
losses in the range of 8% to 10% of body weight over a period
of 6-12 months (64). Unfortunately, it is also well documented
that unless individuals sustain the diet plus exercise indefinitely, most of the losses are regained (65). Patients who have
realistic weight loss goals (5% to 10% weight loss), have never
dieted, are trying to modify very poor food habits, are seeking
external supports and increased structure, and accept the
need for a sustained effort may benefit from diets mildly
reduced in calories accompanied by a regular exercise program.
Click to view ShanGen's profile Legend 280 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
23. Sep 17, 2007 7:25 PM in response to: bronwyn042
I intuitively eat... I didn't know there was an actual diet called that - seems counter intuitive...

My intuitive eating has led me through years of lots of fast food and now I am a vegetarian. I just eat what my body wants when it wants it.

In my most intuitive state (when I don't have schedule rstrictions) I eat 5 meals a day. Most small and snacky with dinner being my biggest meal.

I have started tracking my food and have found that I have not had to change any of my eating habits in order to meet my calorie goals.

So for me it works. But when my schedule was very busy (when I was in school full time and working full time) I found I had to make an eating schedule otherwise I wasn't eating because i wasn't hungry when I had the chance to eat.

I think you can't force yourself to be an intuitive eater - you either are or you aren't.
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Jul 2, 2003
24. Dec 26, 2007 4:54 AM in response to: bronwyn042
quote:<HR>Originally posted by ShanGen:
I intuitively eat... I didn't know there was an actual diet called that - seems counter intuitive...

My intuitive eating has led me through years of lots of fast food and now I am a vegetarian. I just eat what my body wants when it wants it.

In my most intuitive state (when I don't have schedule rstrictions) I eat 5 meals a day. Most small and snacky with dinner being my biggest meal.

I have started tracking my food and have found that I have not had to change any of my eating habits in order to meet my calorie goals.

So for me it works. But when my schedule was very busy (when I was in school full time and working full time) I found I had to make an eating schedule otherwise I wasn't eating because i wasn't hungry when I had the chance to eat.

I think you can't force yourself to be an intuitive eater - you either are or you aren't.
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The whole point is that it's NOT a diet. The book is pretty careful to describe IE as a lifestyle approach and something anyone can learn. We were all intuitive eaters at one point, before dieting screwed it all up. I used to be just like you in terms of natural intuitive eating, but then I started dieting, and am now having to relearn how to eat intuitively. I think everyone has the potential to become an intuitive eater again if they do the emotional work to get away from the diet mentality.




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Click to view Biophilia's profile Pro 171 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
25. Dec 26, 2007 4:54 AM in response to: bronwyn042
quote:<HR>Originally posted by anastria:
The whole point is that it's NOT a diet. The book is pretty careful to describe IE as a lifestyle approach and something anyone can learn. We were all intuitive eaters at one point, before dieting screwed it all up. I used to be just like you in terms of natural intuitive eating, but then I started dieting, and am now having to relearn how to eat intuitively. I think everyone has the potential to become an intuitive eater again if they do the emotional work to get away from the diet mentality.
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it really depends on your definition of diet. You bought a book, learned about a way of eating, and are abiding by a set of rules. Sounds a lot like a diet. The notion that it's not a diet is probably more of a marketing tool.
Click to view DavidD063's profile Legend 361 posts since
Jan 25, 2007
26. Sep 18, 2007 12:29 PM in response to: bronwyn042
All animals on earth eat intuitively -- except humans! (Three cheers for marketing... )
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27. Dec 26, 2007 4:54 AM in response to: bronwyn042
It also depends on your definition of "rules". If you consider a rule to be forgetting all the old rules then so be it, that's what I'm doing. I'm also not blindly following a book, but using it to help me get out of my old ways. Even if you call eating intuitively a "diet".....I eat what I want, when I want......then that's a diet I'll sign up for any day. The main objection I have is calling it a diet. I think it is more appropriately called a lifestyle change.

I would also suggest you read a few books on intuitive eating before calling it a diet and developing an opinion about it.

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Click to view Biophilia's profile Pro 171 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
28. Dec 26, 2007 4:54 AM in response to: bronwyn042
quote:<HR>Originally posted by anastria:
It also depends on your definition of "rules". If you consider a rule to be forgetting all the old rules then so be it, that's what I'm doing. I'm also not blindly following a book, but using it to help me get out of my old ways. Even if you call eating intuitively a "diet".....I eat what I want, when I want......then that's a diet I'll sign up for any day. The main objection I have is calling it a diet. I think it is more appropriately called a lifestyle change.

I would also suggest you read a few books on intuitive eating before calling it a diet and developing an opinion about it.

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you're not just forgetting old rules (if you had any), but you're learning new ones. Are you not learning new rules? If you aren't learning new rules then there would be no difference between intuitive eating and the typical american diet. There must be some rule set that you're abiding by to make the distinction.

"I eat what I want, when I want" - this is another very marketable phrase. You can say this with any diet as long as you "want" to be on the diet and "want" to eat the way that the diet tells you to eat.

any diet can be euphemized as a lifestyle change.
Click to view teetime's profile Legend 459 posts since
Aug 17, 2002
29. Sep 19, 2007 9:37 AM in response to: bronwyn042
For those interested in the approach there is an older book with a similar theme, "Breaking Out of Food Jail" by Jean Antonello, that I recommend. Many years ago when I was stuck in a very rigid (and unhappy) place, this book helped open my eyes to a new (and more comfortable) way of thinking/being.

Given how close the ties are (at a neurological level) between eating, food, emotion, and memory, I don't think it's as easy as the books like to make it sound. In addition, you have to be willing to accept the figure you genetically were meant to have (if you buy the set point theory). For some people, that can be a bit plumper than their idealized self (though it still beats being overweight from dieting in weird ways).