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Nov 9, 2007 2:02 PM

Oxygen Efficiency/Lung trainnig

I am relatively new to running, but I am taking it on full force.
I am going to run my first marathon next Summer, so I'm training right now.

I have a theory and hopefully you guys can support or disprove it.

To increase my oxygen use efficinecy, would holding ones breath while walking/running for short periods help? Would that teach the body to use limited oxygen for a set period? Isn't it the same concept as training at high altitudes?
Click to view ShanGen's profile Legend 280 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Nov 9, 2007 3:35 PM in response to: Guest
Why are you trying to limit oxygen? Shouldn't you be trying to teach the body to use it better?

IMO (no expert here) I would think holding your breath while running/walking would lead straight to light headed and dizzy.
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Dec 14, 2007
2. Dec 26, 2007 4:57 AM in response to: Guest
The reactions that take place in the body that consume oxygen and produce carbon dioxide are reactions that are well defined chemical reactions. They are not subject to being "improved" upon unless you happen to have Divine powers.

You cannot teach your body to be more "efficient". It has very nearly perfect efficiency as it is. There is almost zero food energy (calories) that go utilized and you must, as a matter of fundamental physics, consume enough oxygen to support this utilization.

You cannot "teach" your body to do some quantity of work on less energy than the work requires. What you can do is teach your body to produce the required chemical reactions fast enough to supply your muscles with the energy run at a fast pace. The oxygen consumed will be the same regardless but the rate that it is consumed at is different. That's why you breathe fast when working hard.

Holding your breath will do nothing except impair your ability to supply the oxygen fast enough and thus impair your ability to work hard. What you want to do is run long distances so your body will build the body structures that deliver and use the oxygen and sugars to produce energy to allow you to keep on running long and fast.

There really isn't any shortcut. If you want to be able to run long, you have practise and train at running long.

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Click to view cgerber's profile Pro 195 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
3. Nov 11, 2007 11:30 PM in response to: Guest
Holding your breath won't work, but you're sort of on the right line of thinking. There are proven benefits to training (actually more benefits to sleeping) at altitude. Problem is, you either have to live at altitude or plunk down $7500 for an altitude tent.
Guest
4. Nov 12, 2007 2:42 PM in response to: Guest
Thanks for the great insight. It was a theory. I was looking for additional edge I could develop while not running. I am increase my mileage weekly, but the times I was walking or watching TV, I thought I could do more to develop my lungs/heart.

But there has to be some advantage... I guess I need to take a biology class or something to get a better understanding of the cardiovascular system.
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5. Nov 12, 2007 3:08 PM in response to: Guest
A major goal in running is to oxygenate the muscles most effectively. Just as important is the expiration phase which removes the air out. Your goal to make the lungs more efficient sounds good but the heart is the single most important organ which detremines effeciency. After that is the muscles ability to absorb and nourish the cells with oxygen.
Guest
6. Nov 12, 2007 3:23 PM in response to: Guest
So the final verdict... is mileage?

Also, running one stretch of 20KM is better than morning/evening split of 2 x 10Kms?

Thanks guys/gals!
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Dec 14, 2007
7. Dec 26, 2007 4:57 AM in response to: Guest
I forgot to mention, there are deep breathing exercises you can do to help maximize what you've already got. Won't make the muscles/blood/etc any more efficient, but it can help you open your lungs to allow more air in, while running.

Back when I was bike racing (late 80s / early 90s) it was called 'belly breathing'. The jist of it is you want to stick out your belly while breathing in (instead of sucking in your stomach). This gives the diaphragm a place to move to, which allows the lungs to take in more air. I used to practice by lying on a bed with a book on my stomach and practice deep breathing while raising the book up.

- Chris

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