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Click to view girlrunner032's profile Amateur 14 posts since
May 8, 2007

Nov 20, 2007 2:34 PM

help for a newly vegetarian runner

I know these posts can disintegrate into debates over the pros or cons of becoming a vegetarian/vegan...I have made the decision to try to follow a vegetarian diet for a number of reasons so I'm not looking for a debate. I am just looking for some guidence from other vegetarian/vegan runners - I'm wondering if others out there have seen any change in their running after following a veggie diet? How do you get enough protein to recover properly from long runs? Do you have to add anything to your diet during high-mileage weeks and/or when marathon training?

Thanks for the help.
Click to view John2635's profile Legend 504 posts since
Oct 2, 2004
1. Nov 20, 2007 2:43 PM in response to: girlrunner032
I have been a vegetarian (dairy only) for about 3 years after about 10 years of only occasional poultry & fish.
I've improved a little in the last year, but that was due more to a 20lb. weight loss and increased dedication to serious training than diet.
I take vitamins daily (or almost daily anyway) and have a protein shake with dinner 5 or 6 times a week. I keep a journal of everything I eat, so I tend to eat healthly stuff anyway, not just when peaking for a race.

(Begin editorial) At 57 yo, I feel much better than I did when I was a meat eating 40 yo. (End of editorial)
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2. Nov 20, 2007 6:31 PM in response to: girlrunner032
Specifically with your protein query, beans are the usual vegetarian foods eaten for protein density. Non-vegans can also find some milk products and eggs to be protein dense. Green vegetables often have high protein content for their calories, but you'll need to eat huge amounts of them to get significant amounts of calories, let alone protein calories.

Added sugar and fat would be the lowest protein density foods, followed by sweet fruits.
Click to view Ariann092's profile Legend 681 posts since
Jan 4, 2005
3. Nov 20, 2007 9:01 PM in response to: girlrunner032
quote:<HR>Originally posted by girlrunner:
How do you get enough protein to recover properly from long runs? <HR>


The best recovery meals/drinks are 4:1 carbs: protein. Protein is generally not the issue in muscle recovery, even from weight lifting, but a little bit of protein will help with the uptake of carbs. Flavored soy milk would be an easy way to get this ratio (flavor, or added sugar, is important because it raises the carb content high enough). Alternatively, almost any normal meal you could imagine should provide you with a good balance. Getting enough protein on a vegetarian diet is very simple: it requires eating enough of a variety of food, and definitely including in your diet several of these: beans, lentils, nuts, seeds, soy products, (and dairy and eggs if you like). In addition to that, make sure you are eating most of your grains in a whole form: brown rice, wheat berries or whole wheat, oats, millet, barley, quinoa, etc. Eat as many fruits and vegetables as you can. If you eat this way and you eat enough calories, you will not need any additional protein supplementation. More serious things to worry about would be B-12, zinc, calcium, Omega-3 fatty acids, and possibly iron (depending on your diet, age, sex). These are a little trickier than protein, but still very doable on a totally vegetarian diet with very minor supplementation (the right vitamins).

If you're adding more activity, do as the weight lifters do, eat more of the same exact kinds of food. As your caloric needs go up, your protein needs go up proportionately, so the same foods that nourish you well when you're less active will nourish you well when you're more active. The more active you are, the freer you can also be with things like simple grains and sugars to assist in recovery.
Click to view techgirl321's profile Pro 87 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
4. Nov 21, 2007 7:53 AM in response to: girlrunner032
I'm also newly veggie runner. You'd be able to call me vegan if I didn't eat fish a few times a week. I eat only veggies and long grain brown rice, and beans (oh and fish a few times a week)...no bread, pasta, sugar etc. It has improved my running. I'm less fatigued now than I used to be.


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Click to view reboot's profile Legend 398 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
5. Nov 21, 2007 8:06 AM in response to: girlrunner032
quote:<HR>"I eat only veggies and long grain brown rice, and beans (oh and fish a few times a week)...no bread, pasta, sugar etc. "<HR>


Sounds like the ideal eating plan for the promotion of anorexia.
Click to view mrinertia's profile Legend 1,356 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
6. Nov 21, 2007 8:07 AM in response to: girlrunner032
New vegetarian (less than two weeks) runner myself. Above posts seem to be spot on; I don't have much to add there. It's a bit too early to see if it's impacted my running. Last week was a really good running week, but I don't know if I can attribute to better diet or not. My mentor is a long time vegetarian and a runner.
Click to view mrinertia's profile Legend 1,356 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
7. Nov 21, 2007 8:10 AM in response to: girlrunner032
quote:<HR>Originally posted by reboot:
Sounds like the ideal eating plan for the promotion of anorexia.

<HR>


I think the OP said specifically she didn't want to turn this into a debate. Please, if you don't have anything to add, keep it to yourself.
Click to view duhdoorunrun's profile Amateur 19 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Nov 21, 2007 11:19 AM in response to: girlrunner032
I have been a vegetarian (I eat dairy products) for over 30 years, my entire adult life, and have been running and playing sports all that time. I get plenty of protein from milk (3-4 cups a day), whole grains (whole-wheat bread, oatmeal, whole-grain cereals like Shredded Wheat and Total), peanut butter (practically addicted!), lentils and beans, and tofu. As another poster noted, depending on what veggies and grains you eat, you may need to take an iron supplement--I do so in the summer, when I sweat a lot, because iron can be lost through sweat. If you are a vegan, a supplement that contains B-12 would be wise. I also have to remember to take a salt pill or add salt to my food now and then, because I rarely eat packaged or processed foods that have much salt, and I eat a lot of foods high in potassium (such as fruit juices).
Click to view merigayle's profile Legend 1,586 posts since
Aug 15, 2007
9. Nov 25, 2007 7:43 AM in response to: girlrunner032
I have been vegetarian for about 15 years or so. I have no issues getting protien. I eat a lot of bean dishes, soy milk, and other foods like quinoa that have protein that adds up. If you are vegetarian and not vegan you can eat eggs or egg beaters, yogurt, milk products, etc for easy sources of protein.
Click to view vprunner's profile Amateur 13 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
10. Nov 28, 2007 12:22 PM in response to: girlrunner032
Hey, I'm vegan, but I've been vegan longer than I've been running so I can't give you any solid before/after results. I've never felt better than I have as a vegan, and I know of other people in real life who have also done really well and made improvements with running as vegans. One of the world's best ultra marathoners is a vegan (Scott Jurek).

I usually just have a clif bar after a long run. As athletes we need more protein than non-athletes, but the amount of protein most people actually consume is way beyond what is recommended by health authorities. I consistently run about 50 km a week. The key thing in my diet is a green smoothie, which I make every day and use as a way of getting extra servings of fruit/veg and other nutrients in to me.
Click to view 9ultras's profile Amateur 26 posts since
Apr 9, 2005
11. Nov 28, 2007 7:30 PM in response to: girlrunner032
I have been a vegetarian for 28 years and started a year after starting running.

I definitely felt better - running was easier, I just can't remember the specifics.

It helped even more when I stopped relying on cheese for quite a few meals (I live in Wisconsin).

Now I only eat cheese and eggs about once every two weeks, and fish about once a month.

Beans combined with whole grains provide plenty of protein, and (as others have mentioned), just eat more while exercising a lot.

I don't generally run a lot, but during any of the 24 hour runs that I've done I have always thought I fared better than others who trained more, and I also have had no problems during any of the 7 or 8 bicycle camping trips that I have done going 1 to 3 weeks at a time.

I do use ground flax seeds with my breakfast meals as they are great for Omega 3.