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nocknee

128 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

45. Dec 26, 2007 5:11 AM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by fredurie:
Here's a couple of 73/74 year olds running a sub 5:30 mile:

www.ranelagh-harriers.com/ed-1500m.html[/URL" target="_blank"> <HR>

Yeah, that Whitlock fellow's pretty fast. You'll be needing more like him by the time Iraq's done with you

http://This message has been edited by nocknee (edited Aug-13-2007).

dpar

85 posts since
Dec 11, 2005

46. Aug 13, 2007 12:23 PM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by melistic:
Reading your chart...2 in 12+ does not equal failure. So is all the 1 in 6 vs. 2 in 12 folks just looking to score 100?

p.s. thanks for the link it's great to see I'd ACE the entrance training!<HR>

Probably, and it's funny that most Soldiers do not max the test with 100. In a normal Army unit scoring 80%, or 80 points, in each event is considered a very good and respectable score.

BTW, the entrance requirements are much lower than you referenced. What you looked at was teh actual everyday Soldier standards to remain in good standing. You'd max the Army Physical Fitness test on every level.

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melistic

839 posts since
Oct 11, 2007

47. Aug 13, 2007 6:19 PM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by dpar:

Probably, and it's funny that most Soldiers do not max the test with 100. In a normal Army unit scoring 80%, or 80 points, in each event is considered a very good and respectable score.

BTW, the entrance requirements are much lower than you referenced. What you looked at was teh actual everyday Soldier standards to remain in good standing. You'd max the Army Physical Fitness test on every level.

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I looked under my age/sex group. I can definately hack the cutoff. (16) That is great for me. But sad for the military. I am not a racer. Nor do I really have a desire to be. But I think soldiers should be able to whip my butt, for heaven's sake they are our military! (Do the old guys w/ stripes & stars have to keep up?)
So I'm torn. I started the post in earnest. How did a 6 min mile become the standard.? Well, the H.S kids schooled me there. O.K. if it's accepted for the masses and any average track kid can hack it then, o.k.
However I'm still perplexed by all the "My life is over if I can hack 2 in 12" or what have you....my new answer might just be ' suck it up...did you think you were enlisting in Charm School'
This 'ruck run' sounds like fun. Then again I think the Ranger Race look awesome.

melistic

839 posts since
Oct 11, 2007

48. Dec 26, 2007 5:11 AM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by slowgino:
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Hmm. I guess that rings true

jme76

17 posts since
Jul 11, 2007

49. Aug 13, 2007 10:59 PM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by melistic:
points taken!
I had no idea 6 min was below average for a H.S. athlete. Can that be true? When I was in school 12 min was considered great. In gym not in track.
So you're saying a 6 min mile is very average in your circles?<HR>

I was a miler in high school and my best time was about a 6:20. I wasn't a great runner, but I usually placed. For females, 6's were pretty good. The guys were usually in the mid 5's.

RunnersHigh

259 posts since
Nov 24, 2006

50. Aug 14, 2007 6:31 AM

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Don't know where most of you live but here, in the NYC suburbs, the MIDDLE SCHOOL boys that place in the mile race are running between 4:55 and 5:45. The 4:55 times are a couple of kids that are going do well in high school but the rest are around mid to high 5's. That's 7th and 8th grade! Six minutes and slower, the coach has you doing shot put or something else but not the mile.

melistic

839 posts since
Oct 11, 2007

51. Aug 14, 2007 9:48 AM

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shame on him. What a mean coach.

MichiganFlyer

348 posts since
Dec 9, 2005

52. Aug 14, 2007 10:51 AM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by RunnersHigh43:
Don't know where most of you live but here, in the NYC suburbs, the MIDDLE SCHOOL boys that place in the mile race are running between 4:55 and 5:45. The 4:55 times are a couple of kids that are going do well in high school but the rest are around mid to high 5's. That's 7th and 8th grade! Six minutes and slower, the coach has you doing shot put or something else but not the mile.

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How many middle schoolers can run a mile in sub 6 minutes with no training?

Maybe 1 in 50.

With training alot of high school males could break 6 minutes.
But most do not want to put in the hours to complete this task.

exciton

317 posts since
Nov 2, 2004

53. Aug 14, 2007 12:12 PM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by fredurie:
North America has a problem if you think a 6 minute mile is fast.<HR>

First of all, I know we all love running here, but people's pace in recreational road races is very, very far down on the list of important things wrong with this country.

Also, no one has said that 6 minutes per mile is fast. It's just a pretty fast pace for a recreational runner. If you don't believe me, just look at race statistics. If it were fast, it would not hold the appeal in the popular consciousness that it does. Not everybody is an elite, by definition.

As a matter of fact, I don't think there is a single elite posting on this board.

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fredurie

1,979 posts since
Aug 21, 2002

54. Aug 14, 2007 12:29 PM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by exciton:
First of all, I know we all love running here, but people's pace in recreational road races is very, very far down on the list of important things wrong with this country.

Also, no one has said that 6 minutes per mile is fast. It's just a pretty fast pace for a recreational runner. If you don't believe me, just look at race statistics. If it were fast, it would not hold the appeal in the popular consciousness that it does. Not everybody is an elite, by definition.

As a matter of fact, I don't think there is a single elite posting on this board.

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Denton- 13:48
Cougarcanyon - 4:05 mile in his prime.

In the 80's the rec runners were doing 20 mile training runs
at 6 to 6:20, and ten miles in 60 minutes was nothing for
a training run.

Maybe it got watered down. I don't look at modern race stats
to draw conclusions.

exciton

317 posts since
Nov 2, 2004

55. Aug 14, 2007 1:06 PM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by fredurie:
Denton- 13:48
Cougarcanyon - 4:05 mile in his prime.

In the 80's the rec runners were doing 20 mile training runs
at 6 to 6:20, and ten miles in 60 minutes was nothing for
a training run.

Maybe it got watered down. I don't look at modern race stats
to draw conclusions.

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Problem is we're talking about modern race stats right now. It is 2007.

fredurie

1,979 posts since
Aug 21, 2002

56. Aug 16, 2007 11:30 AM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by exciton:
Problem is we're talking about modern race stats right now. It is 2007.<HR>

A 6 minute mile is what you do for a warmup before you race.

AndyHass

1,385 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

57. Aug 16, 2007 11:52 AM

in response to: melistic

I've warmed up for races with runners faster than even the times you claim you've run. None of them ever warmed up with a 6min mile.

saviorfaire

188 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

58. Aug 16, 2007 12:40 PM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by melistic:
Having spent the weekend playing soccer I've revised my stance on a 6 min mile having No bearing on the field. However I still think it's a crappy measure of a players worth. But when the defender can sprint circle around the striker it's not only funny but comes to bare.

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In soccer and similar sports that require constant stop and start running and accelerating(like basketball), it is not long distance endurance running that comes into play, but the ability to quickly accelerate, then stop and accelerate that is the most valuable skill set.

MichiganFlyer

348 posts since
Dec 9, 2005

59. Aug 16, 2007 1:14 PM

in response to: melistic

quote:<HR>Originally posted by fredurie:
A 6 minute mile is what you do for a warmup before you race.

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I am glad that you can run fast but you must realize that you are a freak of nature. (because of all the hard work you put in of course)

I was 27th place out of 225 runners in a recent 5k with a pace of 6:34 per mile. Now figure that less than 5% of people ever take place in a road race so I was racing the top 5% of Americans basically.

A 6 minute pace for one mile is difficult let alone multiple miles of them in a row.

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