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5 Replies Last post: Aug 17, 2007 11:24 AM by bigapplepie  
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Aug 14, 2007 1:18 PM

Training in Humid Weather HELP!

I am a 31 y/o woman in excellent shape. I am training for my fourth marathon and this year I am training for an early fall marathon for the first time. I usually train for triathlons during the summer season. I am finding it extremely difficult to run in the humidty. I train with four others and we have bumped our starting times to 6:30am to avoid the extreme heat and sunshine. For the last three long runs, I feel extreme nausea, tiredness, and slossing fluids in the belly. The first time, I figured I wasn't hydrated enough and didn't bring enough water and gatorade, so for the second long run I made sure I was hydrated....well for that run I decided to try GU gels as I was feeling terrible again ( I normally take GU in the winter and have no issues) but they made me feel so sick, I had to slow down my pace considerably. So for the third time which was just this past weekend I decided to try eating an hour and a half before the run (previously and for all winter training I eat 2 hours or more before the run) and made sure I was well hydrated and I started the 32km run out strong and feeling great, by 19km my stomach was so upset I had to dash into the nearest bush. I was out of water (I drank 1.5liters from my camelback) and we made a quick stop to get some gatorade. I drank most of the gatorade and tried to keep up a normal pace but I started feeling nausea and weak. By 26km my legs were feeling really heavy, I was getting the chills and the gatorade was sloshing around in my stomach. I had to call it quits at 29km and just felt terrible. I went home, I lost almost 3lbs, but my stomach was so distended. After I ate something small, I felt so much better.

Can anyone offer some advice for me on what I should do? I want to be able to train for this marathon, I am hoping to qualify for Boston 2008. But the way these runs are going in the humidity, I may have to quit or consider doing a half instead.

Just a FYI, in the mornings before a long run I drink a Chocolate Boost and will have 2 slices of toast with pb.
Our average pace for the long runs are about 6:00km/min (in the winter it is between 5:20 and 5:45) and we are running for 10minutes and taking about a 1 minute break. Every break I take some water (in the winter I hardly take in any water). Can overhydrating cause these symptoms? I find I run out of water a long time before my running partners do and they are men and much larger than I.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Z
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1. Aug 14, 2007 7:37 PM in response to: tukiville
Re: Training in Humid Weather HELP!
I've run only 5 of the accursed things so I make no claims to expertise whatsoever. That said, I can't help asking -- have you considered trying a long run on an empty or near-empty stomach?

For example, try eating light two or three hours before the run, something easy to digest. During the run, forgo the Gatorade in favor of water and a Gu or two.

Just a thought. The bloating, nausea, and sloshing you describe make me wonder if this is a case of too much being worse than too little.
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2. Aug 17, 2007 3:57 AM in response to: tukiville
Re: Training in Humid Weather HELP!
Z,

I'm a runner and a physician (though this advice does not constitute medical advice, and you should consult your physician). OK, now that I've made the disclaimer...your story is very well written and contains a great history. It sounds like a classic case of over hydration. You are simply drinkning too much, especially during your run.

The signs and symptoms of overhydration are:

water sloshing in your stomach, poor absorption of food/gels ( because you need an adequate sodium concentration for absorption ), possibly vomiting, dizziness, confusion, irritability, headache, and shivering. Basically, you just feel bad.

Sound familiar?

IMHO, people are so afraid of dehydration (due to all the articles written about it) that many people overhydrate. Not to the extent you are, but they feel a bit nauseous, feel water sloshing in their stomachs, feel tired with no energy. They blame it on deydration or the heat, and tend to drink more, which obvioulsy doesn't help.

You know yourself better than anyone, but I'd recommend you eat just carbs (a bagel with jam, or sports bar) hours before running (if you can't eat 2 hours before running, don't eat at all. Instead, carbo load just before going to bed). Stick with sports drinks and avoid plain water. My personal favorite is Gatorade Endurance because it has 200mg of sodium per 8 oz . Sodium helps fluids get absobed quicker and easier. Also, sodium helps you retain fluids better. In the article "Influence of sodium replacement on fluid ingestion following exercise-induced dehydration. Intl J Spors Nutr 7:104-116, 1997.", the researchers found sodium added to a flavored, sweetened beverage increased drinking and improved fluid replacement following intense exercise;and fluid losses were replaced more quickly with a sodium beverage.

I would also recomend you increase your overall salt intake throughout the day. You are a yoong healthy person. Extra salt is not going to hurt you.

I hope this is helpful...
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3. Aug 17, 2007 9:03 AM in response to: tukiville
Re: Training in Humid Weather HELP!
I'm not entirely sure that this is a case of overhydration. If you got home from a 29km run with a weight loss of 3lbs, I'd say you probably hydrated reasonably well.

In my opinion, you are probably running too fast given the weather conditions. What is your average HR during your long runs? If you are putting your body in a situation where it is under extreme stress (as indicated by your HR going into and staying in an anaerobic zone for long periods), your body will divert blood flow away from your digestive tract, and towards your vital organs, like your heart, lungs, skeletal muscles and brain to prepare you for the "fight or flight" response. This would lead to that sloshing feeling and general malaise you've been having.

If I were in your position, I would slow waaaay down on my long runs in the weather conditions you've been experiencing. Keep your HR in a nice, easy aerobic zone, even if it means you are running slower than you ever thought possible by the end of your run. This will be a lot less taxing on your body, and will probably allow your digestive system to work properly, and absorb the fluids and supplements you are taking in.

This is the approach I have been taking through this brutal summer that we've been having (averaging 7min/km vs 5:30 in the cooler weather). I have continued to see improvements in my aerobic fitness, and am increasing my mileage steadily, despite the weather. The weather has an absolutely HUGE impact on running, and I think you'll find that even if you slow down now, once the cooler weather comes, you'll be able to pick up the pace considerably.

Hope this helps, and best of luck with your marathon training!

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4. Aug 17, 2007 9:36 AM in response to: tukiville
Re: Training in Humid Weather HELP!
I think you could definitely try to get some more sodium. As recommended above, I use gatorade endurance and it seems to help out. Also, you could consider adding some salt tabs as well. Regular gatorade and gu don't normally provide enough electrolyte "umph" when it is so ungodly hot outside. I'm in Houston, so I have to add sodium almost year round.

Good luck!
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5. Aug 17, 2007 11:24 AM in response to: tukiville
Re: Training in Humid Weather HELP!
These days I barely drink more than a few sips every couple of miles even on the most humid days.

It takes a while and a bit of experimentation to find out what you body needs.

Cut down on the fluids during some of your shorter easy runs and see how it affects you.