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6 Replies Last post: Aug 16, 2007 8:32 AM by lolly75  
Click to view jgrandits's profile Amateur 23 posts since
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Aug 15, 2007 10:31 PM

water, nutrition, pace on solo long training run

Hello,
I recently moved to a new area and will be training for the NYC marathon primarily by myself. The last marathon I did was NYC, 2003, and living in NYC at the time. Central Park was a great place to train because I knew all the distances, water, and had some friends to run with.
Currently living in a rural community where I dont have the same luxaries.
Looking for some suggestions on how people prepare for long training runs by themselves. Do you stash water/gel at specified distances, or carry it with you?
Never been a fan of the hydration belts but not sure what else to do for water. I can carry the gels, but will need some H2O when runs get more than 10 miles.
Also what is the best way to guage pace if you dont know the mile markers on the route?
Appreciate the advice, John
Click to view AKTrail's profile Legend 360 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Aug 15, 2007 11:01 PM in response to: jgrandits
Re: water, nutrition, pace on solo long training run
We generally don't have aid stations or mile markers in races. I just learned to run by effort when I was a total newbie, and I carry food, fluid, gear in a pack. Mileage markers can be confusing if you don't know where they were measured from. I do use landmarks are guides for approximate distances. I usually map the stuff out ahead of time so I have an idea when I should be hitting those landmarks, if the map was right. (I do have gps stashed in my pack - out of sight - that I can map my run later and check the mileage.)

If you get a decent pack or belt that works for you (becomes one with you), you may not notice it. Carrying that much water for multi-hour long runs can get cumbersome, as I discovered. In the future, I may plan to loop back by my car in, say, 3 hrs (I'm slow, but training for longer run), and refill.

Others may plan routes by stores or whatever where they can re-supply, but that's not an option where I am.
Click to view OhioMom's profile Amateur 17 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
2. Aug 15, 2007 11:13 PM in response to: jgrandits
Re: water, nutrition, pace on solo long training run
I have tried the hydration belt but it was cumbersone and I stopped using it. I live in a community that is surrounded by not so safe areas. I have dealt with this by stashing water outside my house (in a Nalgene with lots of ice) and looping past the house. I keep the water outside so I'm not tempted to go in (it would be all over). I can safely run a loop that is between 5-7 miles. So far I have simply run the loop twice as I am increasing my mileage for a late October marathon.

I have also signed up for a 10, a 15 mile and a 20 mile "training series/races." These have the benefits of company (my ipod is my only company ordinarily), water stations and a measured course. I guestimate my distance by time (I know my pace pretty well) and I used Google Maps pedometer (very handy) to double check. I have been within a tenth of a mile almost every time.

Good luck. Lucky you to have gotten into the NYC marathon.
Click to view dg12002's profile Legend 622 posts since
Aug 26, 2003
3. Aug 15, 2007 11:23 PM in response to: jgrandits
Re: water, nutrition, pace on solo long training run
Done Camelbak Classic for years. It became one with me and can carry phone/mp3, gels, etc..

Done up to 24 miles with it. Forget stashing stuff, do you trust the weirdos in theis world? Forget the nasty t(cr)ap water and get good quality stuff.

As you deplete the fluids, the slight weight of the pack allows you to feel that much lighter and quicker which promotes a negative split pace.
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4. Aug 16, 2007 12:45 AM in response to: jgrandits
Re: water, nutrition, pace on solo long training run
Some people like to stash - I would hate the hassle.
Some people like to loop past the house or the car - I would hate the limitation on routes.
Some people like camelbak - might work for me. I have never tried.

I use a 'hydration belt.' This works for me as I am not a heavy water drinker even in summer. I carry just over half a litre which works for runs up to 75 mins. For longer runs I can usually find a place to refill it. This is not too restricting in my area. It took a short while to get used to the belt. Getting the right tension on the strap was the key. Now I can wear it shirtless without problems. I never never notice the weight.

-b
Click to view lolly75's profile Pro 88 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
6. Aug 16, 2007 8:32 AM in response to: jgrandits
Re: water, nutrition, pace on solo long training run
mapmyrun.com works great for estimating milage and figuring out where to stash water. I have a hydration belt. I hate it. I took it last night and going down hill one of the bottles fell out and busted the lid. It only works if I running flat ground and don't take my dog. However, my dog needs the water more than I do. I think the stashing is better if you can figure out where to stash it. YOu can also carry a couple bottles, which is like carrying weights.

One 18 miler I dropped water at mile 6. Carried one bottle, picked up a new one a mile 6, then went out another 3 miles, then swapped yet again at mile 12 (same spot) on the way back. Therefore I had a bottle in my hand the whole way.