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Click to view runlikeyoustolesomething's profile Amateur 9 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

Sep 4, 2007 2:32 PM

Question about Hills

Hi everyone!
I'm training for my first 1/2 marathon and I have a question about hills. On my schedual for today I am supposed to do 4-5 hills at a 5-10k pace. Does this mean that I only run the hills and not do any other milage? I appreciate any comments and advice.
Thanks!
Click to view dg12002's profile Legend 622 posts since
Aug 26, 2003
1. Sep 4, 2007 2:59 PM in response to: runlikeyoustolesomething
These are hill repeats. Jog or walk down the hill and repeat.
Click to view biketm's profile Legend 454 posts since
Jul 9, 2007
2. Sep 4, 2007 3:19 PM in response to: runlikeyoustolesomething
I normally run a couple of miles to the hill or hills, then run the couple of miles back home.
Click to view runningINnyc's profile Legend 223 posts since
Jan 17, 2006
3. Sep 4, 2007 3:29 PM in response to: runlikeyoustolesomething
Ditto the pp, run a few miles as a warm-up to the hill location and a few back home/to your car, etc. as a cool down.
Click to view shirleynarsi's profile Pro 68 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
4. Sep 5, 2007 8:59 AM in response to: runlikeyoustolesomething
Whatever you do remember running downhill is awful for the knees. Infact is safer to run uphill.
So while doing your PRs do it at the slowest pace possible.

Cheers
Click to view StPauligirl's profile Legend 244 posts since
Nov 27, 2006
5. Sep 5, 2007 1:13 PM in response to: runlikeyoustolesomething
actually running downhill fast is realy good for strengthening your legs....never heard of them being bad for knees?
when I do my hills or any time I run up hill, I keep the effort consistent, but run odwn them as fast as possible while keeping in control
a warm up /cool down to the hills is a good idea
good luck
Click to view RunnersHigh's profile Legend 259 posts since
Nov 24, 2006
6. Sep 5, 2007 1:23 PM in response to: runlikeyoustolesomething
Running down hill is one of the more stressful types of running for your knees, it's constantly written about when discussing hill running. You have to be careful not to let your stride become too large, don't lean back and be careful not to be braking. There is more technique involved for down hill running, one of the reasons less experienced runners get knee injuries! Now, to offer advice on the original question, my suggestion would be to incorporate the hill repeats into the normal length run that you would do on that day. If I were running 10 miles, I would get to my hill around mile 5, due my repeats and then head home nice and easy. Good luck.
Click to view Nobby063's profile Legend 630 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
7. Dec 26, 2007 6:00 AM in response to: runlikeyoustolesomething
I see hill training as a necessary "exercise". Unless you're actually running a hilly course on the race day, in which case it would pay to do long runs/tempo runs over hilly course to simulate, it is almost pointless to count mileage you run over the hill training. Assuming the schedule you're following is legitimate, I would assume the author's intention of 4~5 miles is simply a guide. Some people might have very strong legs and could handle lots of hills and simply running up and down over 5 miles is no problem; whereas for someone who's not used to running hills, 3 miles might be too much. Bear in mind you should still need to warm-up and cool-down adequately; which means you would be jogging nice and easily for at least 15 minutes before and after. Whether you want to count that as your "workout" is up to you.

Depending on where you are on the training plan (12 weeks out before the half or 4 weeks before), I wouldn't even be bothered with 5~10k pace. Hill training is a perfect resistance and technique work. No point trying to run up hard by trying to stick with your 10k pace and swing your arms and legs all over the place (you'd be teaching incorrect runnnig form). The length and the degree of the hill come in play also.

What I would personally do would be: jog 15~20 minutes nice and easily for warm-up; run up the hill "strongly" but not necessarily "fast" and jog easily down the hill and continue for 20 minutes (total)--depending on how you feel, increase the total duration up to 45 minutes or so over a period of 4~6 weeks; jog 10~15 minutes nice and easily for cool-down.

Yes, downhill running CAN be quite demanding but, depending on your strengths and weaknesses and what you're training for, as well as the length and the steepness of the hill, I would not necessarily completely avoid downhill part. It is an excellent eccentric resistance work, works particularly well for running the marathon, and leg-speed development. Of course, the hill should not be too steep and you need to work on correct runnnig technique (not landing hard on your heel, leaning backward, etc.). Perfect location would be to have a loop or a rectangle (or squair) with a steep hill of about 200~400m, nice flat area on the top that leads to s less steep hill for downhill section and another flat area for recovery jogging at the bottom.

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Click to view AKTrail's profile Legend 360 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Sep 5, 2007 2:49 PM in response to: runlikeyoustolesomething
What Nobby said.

Since my races are hilly races, I regard hill training as "play" rather than "exercise". I generally run by time and intensity - sometimes easy but more often in the high-end aerobic zone (75-80% heart rate reserve, comfortably hard). At some point in time, I may do them harder. I do keep track of vertical gain since that's a more useful number than distance. I also record what kind of hill(s) - slope and size - or whether it's generally rolling (steep or gentle). They all have a role in my training.

If you're doing hill repeats, then definitely include some warmup before and cooldown after, as others have said. But, if you're training for hilly races, also run the hills. Learn to run up AND down. The clock is ticking, AND gravity is giving you some free speed. It's best to find gentle (<5% slopes) hills for downhill work, especially initially. But it is training that you can adapt to. I've got hilly courses with negligible flats, so I tend to just run the hills, rather than repeats which require 180deg turns which mess up the flow of things, but something I'll sometimes do is work the ups outbound, then work the downs inbound.