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Click to view PFEPerformance's profile Rookie 6 posts since
Sep 7, 2007

Sep 7, 2007 9:32 AM

Newbee questions, running & lifting weights

Hi all, I'm new to Cool Running and the Forum

I have been running off and on since 1983. I have also been lifting weights and staying fit for the same amount of time.

My question is this - I have taken a much more serious aproach to my running and going from a very low mileage running ( 10mi a week max) and lifting weights 5 x per week, to upping my milage per the "beginners 10(k) schedule" about 4 weeks ago. So, 4 weeks in and still struggling a little bit with increasing the mileage and not feeling haggered at the end of a 5 mi run (it's coming, just feels slow to find that AHHH comfort and fun level), but hoping that will come soon enough. Anyway, due to upping my mileage and training towards my first 10(k), I am not certain how many days per week I should be devoting to lifting weights and what will not compromise my running vs compliment my running, speed, and endurance.....

Any help and newbee advice VERY appreciated!!!

Thanks!!
Lorrie
Click to view Saph's profile Pro 93 posts since
Oct 13, 2007
1. Sep 7, 2007 11:13 AM in response to: PFEPerformance
Re: Newbee questions, running & lifting weights
Hi Lorrie,

You're lifting weights 5 x per week?
Are you doing a split routine?


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Click to view garys070's profile Amateur 24 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
3. Sep 7, 2007 2:55 PM in response to: PFEPerformance
Re: Newbee questions, running & lifting weights
I like to run 3-4 days a week, with 2-3 days of full-body weights workout. Nothing terribly heavy with the weights. 12 reps at the most. Works for me. Keeps enough muscle built to keep fat at bay.
Click to view kimber45caliber@yahoo.com's profile Legend 427 posts since
Oct 20, 2007
4. Sep 7, 2007 3:03 PM in response to: PFEPerformance
Re: Newbee questions, running & lifting weights
I lift and run and have been unable to find a balance. I've cut my lifting back from 5 days to 3. I've just added another day of running so I'm not sure how that's going to work out. I've run in the morning and lifted in the afternoon. That's ok if the next day is a day of rest. But I don't seem to have any exercise free days anymore. I've cut back on a lot of my leg work. If I do very much leg work, my legs fatigue early in my run.
I need to talk to a trainer to see how much I can eliminate from my lifting and yet still keep my current muscle mass. I really don't want to lose my upper body definition.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help. I do understand your situation.
Karen
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Oct 27, 2007
5. Sep 7, 2007 3:26 PM in response to: PFEPerformance
Re: Newbee questions, running & lifting weights
I'm by no means a lifting expert, but I'm moderately good at running, and here's my routine:

Monday: no running, chest/core/back weights
Tuesday: speedwork (usually 6 x 1 mile repeats), bis/tris/delts/abs weights
Wednesday: tempo run 6 to 10 miles, no lifting
Thursday: no running, same lifting at Monday
Friday: easy middle-long run of 10 to 15 miles, same lifting as Tuesday
Saturday: no running, no lifting
Sunday: long run of 20 to 40 miles, no lifting

So, I'm lifting four days a week and running four days a week - only doing both on Tuesdays & Fridays. Only have two weight workouts (3 sets of 12/10/8 reps) and neither have anything "below the waist".

I by no means have large muscles, but at less than 5% bodyfat, what I do have looks pretty good (42 and have a great six-pack! )

If you're coming at this from the bodybuilder angle, then you're probably well versed in the nutrition aspects of fitness - keep in mind that running is burning up 120 or so calories per mile, so it's easy to start losing mass if you're not making up for that increased energy output.

Good luck!

kestrou
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Oct 13, 2007
7. Sep 7, 2007 4:08 PM in response to: PFEPerformance
Re: Newbee questions, running & lifting weights
quote:<HR>Originally posted by PFEPerformance:
Should I be lifting on running days? <HR>

That's the one thing I wouldn't do or recommend anyone do!
Could you adjust your lifting days to free up more running days/more mileage?

BTW: This is my routine:
Week One
Monday: Run 6-12 miles + Yoga practice
Tuesday: Upper body + walk/bike/hike
Wednesday: Repeat Monday
Thursday: Lower body + walk/bike/hike
Friday: Repeat Monday
Saturday: Repeat Tuesday
Sunday: Run/Race day 5 to 25K (road/trail)

Week Two
Monday: Run 6-12 miles +Yoga practice
Tuesday: Lower body + walk/bike/hike
Wednesday: Repeat Monday
Thursday: Upper body + walk/bike/hike
Friday: Repeat Monday
Saturday: Repeat Tuesday
Sunday: Run/Race day 5 to 25K (road/trail)




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Click to view runawayjesse's profile Legend 538 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Sep 7, 2007 5:26 PM in response to: PFEPerformance
Re: Newbee questions, running & lifting weights
What are your goals really? Lifting to get big and running is like trying to diet while being a competetive eater. By that I mean they go in complete opposite directions. One can completely counteract the other if you don't do it correct.

You can follow a basic weight training plan 3 days per week and maintain decent cardiovascular fitness by running for 1 hour 3 days per week and you will be all around in good health.

However if you are looking to tap into your running potentail it gets a bit complicated. I contest that I do believe strength training does in fact help running. The trick is "how" to go about doing it. I wish I could tell you how but the truth is, it is such an indiviual thing. Some runners swear by hills while others are spending a few days in a gym setting doing powerlifting type regime's. The truth is their is no correct way.

In general for weight training to help you run it should be specific to running. Search the term "functional training".However some basic exercises can be helpful to maintain muscle balance if you are vonurable to an imbalance.How much of it you can do and what workload depends on your strengs and weakneses. Some people lack basic strength yet have great muscular endurance while others are strong naturally but can not for the life of them sustain a muscular contraction to save their life.

Don't think you need that MUCH weight work though for it to help your running. I do better in fact using a 2 day per week complex split and core work 3 x per week. A little strenght work goes a long way if your doing it right. I see more runners than I care to admit wasting hours and hours doing nonsense because they are simply misinformed. Think even elite full time runners are only in the gym 3 days per week.

The best book I have ever read on this is-
http://www.amazon.com/Explosive-Running-Science-Kinesiology-Performance/dp/0809298996/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-0612705-4359045?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189201260&sr=8-1[/URL" target="_blank">

Still don't expect a spoon fed program. Weight training is even less "cookie cutter" than running. By that I mean you need to learn the different methods of building strength,stamina, and power and you need to find out what works for you. This book provides all that imformation but, yes, you must read it.
Click to view jansd's profile Legend 418 posts since
Jun 8, 2003
9. Sep 7, 2007 5:40 PM in response to: PFEPerformance
Re: Newbee questions, running & lifting weights
Another recommendation for Yessis, Explosive Running. Lots to learn, great all around training advice.
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Apr 23, 2006
10. Sep 9, 2007 11:21 PM in response to: PFEPerformance
Re: Newbee questions, running & lifting weights
As a women runner I use weight training to just stay toned up. I do 4 days of weight training (split) leaving legs 1 day on there own. I run 4-6 days per week. Since increasing my mileage for marathon training I usually do legs on an off day or in between two low mileage days!