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Click to view Djpower's profile Expert 46 posts since
Mar 19, 2007

Dec 26, 2007 6:12 AM

How often should I run a marathon?

I'm running my first HM in early November and a week or two after that I'll formally start my training for a May 10th marathon. I would say that I'm not a naturally fast person but I am a dedicated person and with that dedication I feel that (with the right training) I can get a marathon time below three hours and 10 minutes. Under no illusion that I will reach that goal in my first attempt(s) I realize a smart selection of races will be required to allow for an appropriate amount of rest time and as well as training time.

With this said what are the factors I should consider as I select my races next year.

Thanks for your help!

edited to fix typo

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Click to view saviorfaire's profile Pro 188 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Sep 16, 2007 11:50 AM in response to: Djpower
What is your running and race history?
Click to view runninirish's profile Legend 233 posts since
Feb 26, 2007
2. Sep 16, 2007 12:44 PM in response to: Djpower
you sound like me 7 years ago...I ran my first in 2002, 2nd in 2004 and ran a 3:10 in 2006...the answers you will get to this questions will vary greatly, some run a couple a year, some even more...I usually took a year off in between and picked a shorter race as my "A" race...this, I believe, has helped my marathon times out greatly. (For example, I trained for a 10k in 2005, the next summer, my marathon dropped 30 mins) Although I ran Boston this spring, I focused on 5k's this summer...I am looking/hoping to break 3 next spring...good luck in your 1/2 and your future marathons!

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Click to view Stevie Ray Lopez's profile Legend 532 posts since
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3. Sep 16, 2007 2:58 PM in response to: Djpower
The answer to the question is simple.

One. Run one. See if you even LIKE marathons. They aren't for everyone. If you like it, or if you feel afterwards that you didn't meet a goal and you want to try again (which may mean you didn't like your first one)... THEN... try a second one.

It is way way waaaay too early in the process to be scheduling multiple marathons.

(says the guy trying to run 50-60 marathons this year)

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Click to view bhearn's profile Legend 430 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
5. Sep 16, 2007 10:42 PM in response to: Djpower
I'll go srlopez one better and say zero.

Don't let yourself think seriously about running a marathon until after your first half. Then, if that goes well, reward yourself by investigating marathon plans. Then pick up with srlopez's comments.

I know what you mean about needing the excitement to get your butt out of bed. But don't get ahead of yourself. Let yourself be excited about your half first.

Good luck!
Click to view Jarhead0351's profile Expert 52 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
6. Sep 17, 2007 10:24 AM in response to: Djpower
Just my opinion, but I think comparing a marathon to a half is like comparing a half marathon to a 5K. Its apples and oranges!

I totally agree that having a detailed goal is a great way to keep you motivated and getting out of bed through the winter season. I did the exact same thing last year. I made it even better by signing up for Team in Training, who provided me with coaching, transportation, and registration to the marathon.

My suggestion is to train over the winter for a spring marathon. Give yourself plenty of time to recover from the marathon then start training for a fall half. That will give you direction through the summer and at least until this time next year.

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Click to view mrinertia's profile Legend 1,356 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
7. Sep 19, 2007 11:35 AM in response to: Djpower
I think it's a good idea to set long term goals. One thing to keep in mind is that as you learn more about yourself and running, those goals may change.

I think that a May marathon about 6 months after your first half is a great goal although I'm biased because that's almost exactly what I've been working on. It's been a challenge, but reasonalby attainable.

Basically, if I understand your original question, you would like to know what factors go into selcintg a marathon and how often should you run them.

A few considerations regarding marathon selection:

First off, one of the biggest qualitites that attracts people is "fast and flat". Obviously if you're looking for a specific time goal, flatter marathons are better suited to such things. Others look specifically for challenging marathons (The Equinox comes to mind) for the challenge and bragging rights. Marathon size matters to some, running in huge groups takes a slightly different tactic than open fields. Some marathons have entertainment along the route - is that important to you? A lot of this has to do with personal preference.

How often to marathon is a great subject and you'll get a lot of different answers. I'll give you my opinion and quantify that by saying my first is in 9 days. I think running two per year is a really good way to go if you're trying to run at peak performance. It gives you plenty of time to recover, rebuild and peak. Many do one, but I've heard that sometimes running just one can leave you stale or needing to "relearn" how to run a marathon.

Something that I have decided to try on my own is to run a hilly or challenging marathon in the spring and a flat fast marathon in the fall. I can't exactly explain why I think this will work well for me, it just seems like a good plan.

It sounds like you've got a good set of goals for yourself. A sub 3:10 is a very aggressive goal; good luck.
Click to view Blaine Moore062's profile Amateur 28 posts since
May 3, 2006
8. Sep 19, 2007 1:14 PM in response to: Djpower
The best time to plan your second marathon is right after you have forgotten exactly how much the first one hurt...

I think that a May/October selection is a great idea, but I would not actually register for the October race until mid-Summer at the earliest. When you finish your May race, you are going to have one of two reactions:

1. Wow, that was so amazing, I can't wait to do that again!
or
2. Wow, that hurt so much, I'm never doing that again!

Both reactions are followed by a short time of disenchantment and depression, and followed some time later (days, weeks, months, years) by a desire to do another. And then the addiction starts...

You can make it a much more pleasant experience with proper preparation[/URL" target="_blank"> and by making sure that you eat and walk around a lot after the race.

Good luck!

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Click to view Jim Sullivan032's profile Community Moderator 516 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
9. Sep 19, 2007 2:08 PM in response to: Djpower
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Blaine Moore:
Both reactions are followed by a short time of disenchantment and depression, and followed some time later (days, weeks, months, years) by a desire to do another. And then the addiction starts...<HR>
Depression? Are you serious? If any race leaves you depressed, you've got a serious problem, and it has nothing to do with running.

I have one of two reactions after a marathon. Either it went well, in which case I'm satisfied and ready to move on to my next race, or it didn't go well, in which case I'm disappointed, but ready to move on to my next race.
Click to view Blaine Moore062's profile Amateur 28 posts since
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10. Sep 19, 2007 2:36 PM in response to: Djpower
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jim Sullivan:
Depression? Are you serious? If any race leaves you depressed, you've got a serious problem, and it has nothing to do with running.
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I don't mean directly following the race. I mean in the week or month after the race when you've stopped exercising and getting your fix.

Most first time marathoners don't immediately move on to a new training schedule with new goals, or go into an off season of cross training.

I have known a lot of people that have gotten depressed after a race, because they have traded a solid goal (the marathon) and daily training for days where they are not as active, and when they are running or working out they don't have anything specific to work towards.

The solution is pretty easy; have multiple goals and stay off your ***. But in my experience, it usually takes people a few tries before they figure that out.

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Click to view Jim Sullivan032's profile Community Moderator 516 posts since
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11. Sep 19, 2007 3:03 PM in response to: Djpower
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Blaine Moore:
I don't mean directly following the race. I mean in the week or month after the race when you've stopped exercising and getting your fix. <HR>
I guess it happens, but I don't know why they would stop working out.
Click to view mrinertia's profile Legend 1,356 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
12. Sep 20, 2007 7:59 AM in response to: Djpower
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jim Sullivan:
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Originally posted by Blaine Moore:
I don't mean directly following the race. I mean in the week or month after the race when you've stopped exercising and getting your fix. <HR>
I guess it happens, but I don't know why they would stop working out.

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When I ran my first half, I had been running for about 8 months. I wasn't quite ready for how much it would take out of me and didn't know much about what ecovery was all about. I ran very little afterwards and came close to stopping. Two things that kinda derailed me - one was the recovery and my lack of knowledge about it. The second was goal related. I had been focusing on my half for so long, when it was over I didn't know what to do. It really threw me for a loop. I know some other newbies that have had similar experiences.
Click to view Jim Sullivan032's profile Community Moderator 516 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
13. Sep 20, 2007 8:48 AM in response to: Djpower
Again, I can see that it happens, but it doesn't seem like a normal reaction.
Click to view Blaine Moore062's profile Amateur 28 posts since
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14. Sep 20, 2007 2:49 PM in response to: Djpower
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jim Sullivan:
Again, I can see that it happens, but it doesn't seem like a normal reaction. <HR>


That's because you've been running for a long time, and while I don't know anything about you past what's in this thread (I just started looking at the boards recently) I would guess that you may have started when you were pretty young.

I have been running for most of my life, and never had any trouble with it. However, since I left college for the "real world" I have run with a lot of people that never began running until their 30s or 40s (or even later) and don't have that kind of experience to fall back on.

I think mrinertia stated it pretty well; once they reach their goal, they don't know what to do because they've been focusing on the one thing for so long.

I took a look (since I know I've written about this before) and found an article on this very topic that I wrote a couple of years ago: Focus, Goals, and lack thereof[/URL" target="_blank">

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