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Click to view ttansley99's profile Rookie 3 posts since
May 22, 2007

Sep 20, 2007 10:55 PM

Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training

I hope I'm posting this in the right place - i've never posted here before - so far I've just read - still fairly new

I've run a couple marathons but am out of the distance running loop after recently having 2 kids. Anyway, I have a friend who told me early this summer she was running the St. George marathon. As the months went by, her training lacked. Well, IMO it did. She says she is very pleased that her weekly mileage has averaged 20 miles - she thinks that is a lot. I think that is about right for week 2 of training!

The marathon is 2 1/2 weeks away and she is now tapering off, although tapering from what, I'm not sure. She ran very few long runs (three, I think) - her longest run was 14 miles last week. It was supposed to be 20 (after a max of 13 miles previously), but only could make 14 b/c her "knee gave out." Of COURSE she couldn't make it 20.

My friend is 50+ lbs overweight and this is her first race of any distance. She has never been a "runner."

I mentioned to our mutual friends that I think running the race is foolish, but have been advised not to tell her this because it is unsupportive of her so-called dream to become a marathon runner.

What would YOU tell this friend? She really, really feels she can do this, and I think she is a fool and this is very dangerous. Am I wrong? I've only ran 2 marathons, so maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about and she will be fine? There is a 6-hour time limit. She feels it will be easy, because most of the course is downhill. I don't see how she can make it 26 if she can't make it past 14, downhill or not, but again, maybe I am wrong and just need to be "supportive."

thanks in advance, and I look forward to meeting everyone, as I'll start posting now, instead of lurking
Click to view slick7781's profile Pro 64 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Sep 20, 2007 11:03 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
IMHO, it's probably best to keep your thoughts to yourself. She clearly is not prepared and is living in fantasy land. However, she will only resent your input and I doubt she would bow to it. She will find out soon enough on her own and then you can be there to encourage her to train the right way if she is interested in ever trying it again, which she probably will not be!
Click to view Doctor Wu076's profile Legend 412 posts since
Sep 25, 2000
2. Sep 20, 2007 11:06 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
You are in a no win situation. If you continue telling her not to run it may ruin your friendship. I'm afraid she may have to find out the hard way just how undertrained she is. And she is not the first person who ever did a marathon grossly undertrained. If she DNF's she is not likely to die trying and if she does finish she will be sore that she will think twice before doing another without the proper training.
Click to view Girl In Motion's profile Legend 253 posts since
Feb 4, 2007
4. Sep 20, 2007 11:24 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
Report back after it's over - this'll be schadenfreude at it's finest.
Click to view AKTrail's profile Legend 360 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
5. Dec 26, 2007 6:21 AM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
You might gracefully (yea, I know, easier said than done) suggest a later marathon to her - with some very valid reason (other than her present lack of training). Perhaps better scenery, bands along the way, ... , whatever. If there are intermediate cutoffs at St. George, one of those might catch her before she does serious damage. OTOH, with a 6-hr cutoff, it's not like she'd be struggling for 10 hrs. But if she's basically inactive, 50 lb overweight, and doesn't have a hiking or some other active background, even 3-4 hrs could be really long to do some damage - esp. if her knee is bad.

I'm assuming she's run / walking this? If not, encourage her that direction. People can do a lot with that.

Does she know anything about hydration / hyponatremia and fueling?

I'm assuming she's not doing one of these low volume, high intensity pgms.

If she's your friend, I think you owe it to her to say something - politely, gently, suggestive - not demanding. Kinda like friends don't let friends drive drunk. It might have been easier saying something a month or so ago where there was more time for corrective action. OTOH, she could run/walk at least part of it and get some experience and maybe tire before she does serious damage. She might get to talk with others and see how they trained.

Don't let your feelings about how hard you trained color your attitude about how she's training. The proof is on race day, not in the training. Goals may be different.

Click to view WillWriteForShoes's profile Expert 57 posts since
Jun 12, 2006
6. Sep 21, 2007 11:34 AM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
Interesting thread. I just met a couple last weekend who had run a marathon, with little to no training. They both finished. He was on crutches for a few weeks afterward. She said she'd never run another marathon. Ya think?

Jennifer
Click to view tigger077's profile Legend 691 posts since
Nov 19, 1999
7. Sep 21, 2007 1:18 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
If she isn't asking for advice I wouldn't give her any. From what I've heard there are some good uphills at St George and the second half can be very hot. If she makes it in less than 6 hrs with her minimalist approach we should all start listening carefully to Richard99!!
Click to view joev9's profile Legend 490 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Sep 21, 2007 1:41 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
Your friend's training program sounds very similar to Lance Armstrong's. If he can do it, anyone can, right???

Sorry to be a smartass, just couldn't resist...
Click to view mrinertia's profile Legend 1,356 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
9. Sep 21, 2007 1:55 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
I think you have an obligation to warn a friend if she's getting ready to do something painful or dangerous. If She won't listen that's ok - it's her decision but I do think a freind would at least make the effort to warn against danger. Be gentle, but give your opinion.
Click to view Abadabajev's profile Legend 231 posts since
Oct 4, 1999
10. Sep 21, 2007 4:54 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
quote:<HR>Originally posted by ttansley99:
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Do not worry. This will be her 1st and last marathon. She will have the worst time of her life. Then there'll be no more talk of marathon.
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11. Sep 21, 2007 5:25 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
ttansley: Friend means friend. What can you do? The Hartford comes up in a few weeks and training for it has taught me to be realistic about what is going to happen. Don't know abt. yours but in this one max time is 6:00 hrs. or abt. 13:00 min. per mile. the back mile of the course is opened to traffic at that point. All finishers get the medal, but there are two dangers with going over the time. First, traffic, is obvious. The other is what I've learned in taking my long run also out to twenty miles.W/O proper hydration/nutrition the mind seem to go first, as in" where am I ?". Thats low blood sugar, low liver sugar, etc. and it gets worse from there (as one responder has pointed out, and I learned the hard way. Have her realisticaly project her finishing time based on her mi./min time of her longest run. That may help. Finally, she's a friend. My first marathon is in a few weeks, and next to Vietnam, I'm thinking this is going to be my biggest adventure yet! She may feel the same, so share it with her, start with her, pace her, encourage her, look out for her. That's what friends do.
Good Luck .

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Click to view trackrunnerguy's profile Pro 85 posts since
Mar 13, 2007
12. Sep 21, 2007 9:20 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
I knew a fit teen who was really fast. 17 min 5k off of minimal training.Good xc runner but never went to practice. He ran a marathon in 3:25 randomly one time in hs. the next day he could barely move and he had to use crutches to walk for a week. if running a marathon untrained can mess up a 17-min 5k guy it can definitely mess up your friend.
Click to view melistic's profile Legend 839 posts since
Oct 11, 2007
13. Sep 21, 2007 9:53 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
what a pickle.
I might just encourage her to take her time (obviously) and just think of finishing injury free her ultimate goal.
Since you yourself are a bit out of the loop after the kids, you could talk instead about how you would train for a marathon. How you would work your weekly mileage up, how after this marathon, in which you will support her the 2 of you could train together, properly train, talk about the difference in plans, what this plan vs. that plan says should be your base mileage. Instead of pointing any of it at her put it all on yourself. Confide you would be worried about being injured trying to run 26.2 if you were AVERAGING only 20 miles combined a week.
"I'm so excited for you, it's got me in the mood to run again, I think I would want to at least cover X amt. of miles in one long run before I could attempt anything like what you are doing" Praise her, with conveying subtle or not so subtly the problems of completing such a feat on lackadazical training. But always relate it back to you...she'll pick up
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Very straightforward..."I don't want to rain on your parade but I have some very real concerns about you hurting yourself; what do you plan to do if your knee gives out again at 14 miles? That still leaves you with half the race?...Let's try a half together instead!"
Good Luck to her...and to you getting back on board
Mel
Click to view PacerChris's profile Legend 763 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
14. Sep 21, 2007 10:08 PM in response to: ttansley99
Re: Need advice re: running a marathon w/o proper training
A guy I work with knew someone who did this once...the dude didn't show up for work for a week, and his wife came in to get his computer so he could work from home. Apparently he was ******* blood.

Tell your friend to enjoy St. George and the medical tent!

State your peace and let her make her own (stupid) decision. And please post her story here for our entertainment.

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