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Click to view melistic's profile Legend 839 posts since
Oct 11, 2007
16. Sep 22, 2007 12:22 AM in response to: ttansley99
quote:<HR>Originally posted by PacerChris:

Tell your friend to enjoy St. George and the medical tent!

State your peace and let her make her own (stupid) decision. And please post her story here for our entertainment.

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Dec 14, 2007
17. Sep 22, 2007 12:28 PM in response to: ttansley99
quote:<HR>Originally posted by ttansley99:

Part of my feelings might be that it frustrates me to see how she's almost trivializing the training. I trained so hard for my first, and the race was still really hard. to me, making the commitment to the training is half the glory of finishing the actual race. so i guess i'm a little bitter about her attitude too, which is kind of silly i suppose.
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It may be silly, but most of us feel the same way. I have an acquaintance who has been sending e-mail updates and talking about her marathon training...very similar to your friend. A couple of weeks ago, she ran her marathon, so I looked up her time...3:35. Pretty respectable! (except she failed to mention she ran the HALF, not the full.)
Click to view letchitsa1's profile Amateur 22 posts since
Oct 13, 2007
18. Sep 22, 2007 12:55 PM in response to: ttansley99
3:35 for a half and averaging 20 miles per week?!?!?!?!? I can take at least an hour off that time for a half averaging 15 miles a week (I've done it, and I wouldn't recommend it). I could see maybe 20-30 miles/week for a half, especially if you were doing something like the Furman program which has you doing some serious cross-training as well as running, but anything other than that just ain't pretty at all.

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19. Sep 22, 2007 1:03 PM in response to: ttansley99
When I was 25, I ran the LA marathon cold turkey. Bought the shoes that week. I'd been playing a lot of basketball and figured that I should try it while young. The first 18 miles were really not all that bad. I self-invented Gallowalking, but was able to keep bumping along at a 3:30ish pace. Then the wheels fell off. Huge pain in the knee -- and with 8 miles to go. I basically walked it in and finished in 5 hours. I couldn't walk for about a week. At the time, it was a sort of symbolic victory for me. I'd had some rough times at work and personally and the fact that I gutted it out meant something. I didn't run again until two years ago (41). Looking back . . . so stupid, just in every single respect.

By the way, I wouldn't use Lance as the posterchild. He learned a lesson in humility. Quote: "I think I bit off more than I could chew, I thought the marathon would be easier...I could barely walk..." He also admitted that the marathon was the "hardest physical thing he had ever done", even compared to the Tour de France. "I don't know how these guys do it," he said in reference to marathoners.

"Considering all my Tours, even the worst days, nothing was as difficult or left me with such a sense of fatigue and so much soreness as the marathon today."
Click to view Tetsujin30's profile Legend 945 posts since
Jan 1, 2006
20. Dec 26, 2007 6:21 AM in response to: ttansley99
There is no such thing as running a marathon without "proper"
training.

As a skier being in pretty good shape anyway, the bulk of my thirty years of running at least one marathon a year have been on less than 100 miles running for the entire year and many less than 50 (including the marathon).

A rule of thumb in the early days was being able to run 13 miles, no matter how slowly, without stopping, even less than a week before, was sufficient evidence of running the full 26.2 miles and I proved it many, many times.

It can even be done after swimming 2.4 miles and cycling for 112 by people who have never run a single race of any kind in the whole life (to say nothing having only swum less than a mile in the last 20 years and never ridden a bike father than 20 miles at one time), . . . but that was back in the days when we didn't know we were supposed to train!

There is such a thing as running a marathon w/o honoring a pace commesurate with the runner's condition.

Unfortunately, it's too bad most people are afraid of slow running, getting last place, etc.



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Click to view formationflier's profile Legend 989 posts since
Oct 13, 2007
21. Sep 22, 2007 1:58 PM in response to: ttansley99
Don't say anything unless she asks your opinion. It's not likely to
be life-threatening, so it's not worth you looking like a know-it-all or
jealous friend (I'm not suggesting you're being either). As long as
she doesn't say she plans to guzzle down a ton of water during
the race or alternatively not drink at all, she'll survive. Then you
can congratulate her on her 6:45 finish afterwards.


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Click to view ShanGen's profile Legend 280 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
22. Sep 22, 2007 2:14 PM in response to: ttansley99
If she valued your opinion as a runner she would have asked. Since she did not then I would not say anything. Especially since your defenses are high. Mine would be too. My suggestion is to just be supportive and if she DNF's or injures herself you can silently revel in that fact without guilt. And then you can always suggest that the two of you train together or you can help her train for another marathon...
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Oct 28, 2007
23. Sep 23, 2007 1:02 AM in response to: ttansley99
Print this thread and give it to her.
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24. Sep 23, 2007 8:12 AM in response to: ttansley99
I recall an article where Jack Daniels said it was possible to finish a race that was 3 times as long as your longest long run. So at 14 miles she stands a good chance of finishing. Afterwards it will be her judgement as to whether she did well or not. Let her enjoy the feeling regardless of how you feel about her training. It's her life, not yours.
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25. Sep 23, 2007 8:40 AM in response to: ttansley99
quote:<HR>Originally posted by ttansley99:


I mentioned to our mutual friends that I think running the race is foolish, but have been advised not to tell her this because it is unsupportive of her so-called dream to become a marathon runner.
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What is the mutual friend's background ? Is it bold to assume he/she is not a runner ? This, in my opinion, of how new runners quit being runners. They go into an event grossly undertrained, get injured or have a miserable time, and decide this is what running feels like, and quit. If I were to write a book on how not to make running a lifestyle, this would be a text book example. Next year she may be saying "I can't run, my knees can't handle it", when in reality, no one's knees could handle what she is trying to do. I would state my opinion once, and then drop it. You are not supporting her by nurturing her plan. Resist the temptation to say "I told you so" when you are proven right after the marathon. I wonder what goes though people's head when they prove they cannot run 20 miles but they think they are ready for 26.2. Hopefully she is taking walk breaks early and often. Given more time and better ramp up she may have a long running career.