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Click to view HokieNC065's profile Amateur 29 posts since
Mar 28, 2007

Oct 11, 2007 3:23 PM

New York Marathon Questions

I will be running my first NYC Marathon in just 24 days (gulp) and have a few questions. . .

1) My understanding with the split start is that some runners are under the top bridge at the start. Of course at other times you are by tall building. Do runners have any luck with a GPS during the race?

2) I have heard the gear bags are enormous. Knowing I will be at the start area for hours, I want to bring extra stuff. Exactly how big are the gear bags?

3) When I see still shots of the race it looks like a log jam, but when I see active footage, runners appear to have a reasonable amount of space around them and seem to be moving well. Is the actual race more like a log jam, or do people find they can still settle into their pace?

4) Assuming people can settle in, how many miles does it take for that to happen?

If it helps, I hope to be between 3:35 and 3:45.

Thanks!
Click to view Brian McN's profile Legend 240 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Oct 11, 2007 3:30 PM in response to: HokieNC065
My first New York as well so I can't answer your questions. You may want to post on the New York City Marathon thread in the race together column. Seems to be a lot of NYCM veterans posting there.
Click to view marksilver099's profile Amateur 38 posts since
Sep 27, 2002
2. Oct 11, 2007 3:38 PM in response to: HokieNC065
1) Don't worry about your GPS, it will work just fine

2) They give you a nice size plastic bag for your gear, my tip is to make sure you take a large garbage bag w/you. This way if you want to sit on the floor you won't be sitting on the dirt or wet floor (the grass might be a little damp in the morning)

3) the only real log jam is at the start crossing the Verazano, once you get over the bridge there is plenty of room

4) Usually after the 1st mile or so things start settling out.
Click to view GeekRunner081's profile Pro 118 posts since
Jan 6, 2006
3. Oct 11, 2007 3:45 PM in response to: HokieNC065
quote:<HR>Originally posted by marksilver:


2) They give you a nice size plastic bag for your gear, my tip is to make sure you take a large garbage bag w/you. This way if you want to sit on the floor you won't be sitting on the dirt or wet floor (the grass might be a little damp in the morning)

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It also helps to bring a Sunday paper. You'll spend a lot of time waiting before the race, and having something to read is nice. The paper has some other uses too: If it's cold, you can either sit on the paper or crumple it up and stuff it into the garbage bag and sit inside the bag. It looks strange, but it works.
Click to view PacerChris's profile Legend 763 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
4. Oct 11, 2007 3:47 PM in response to: HokieNC065
I did it a few years ago and will be there again this year so limited experience.

1) Don't know about the GPS but the course is well marked. I am not familiar with Garmin's products but start your watch when you normally would and just rely on the GPS when the signal is good...otherwise, gauge your pace by the pace leaders, by the mile or km markers.

2) Gear bags are probably decent sized, but plan to bring some throwaway clothes. Spend $10 for comfort - well worth it

3) It's crowded. From what I recall it was packed the first mile, crowded the next several miles but you could get on an OK pace, and then the separate starts merged and it was more crowded for a bit.

4) Going by memory I think it took me about 2 miles to find a decent pace (I was looking around 8:00 at the time). Of course, the race was ONLY about 30,000 people that time and it'll be closer to 40k this year.

Word of advice if you are on the lower level - stay in the middle. If you're near the edge you may get ****** on from up above.

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Click to view VictorN's profile Legend 406 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
6. Oct 11, 2007 4:04 PM in response to: HokieNC065
Two miles gets you off the bridge. At your pace things should thin out enough by then to run at your goal pace. Do not try to work your way around the slower runners in front of you by accelerating and decelerating. Be patient or you will pay for it later! When you get off the bridge, things will open up and you can slowly ramp up to your normal pace.

As PacerChris suggested, bring some throw-away clothes, especially if it is cool. That way you can deposit your bag early and not have to worry about waiting in the corral getting cold.

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Click to view OR1105's profile Pro 75 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
7. Oct 11, 2007 4:22 PM in response to: HokieNC065
I ran it last year and found that it got crowded again for a short while at mile 8 because the 3 separate corrals are on separate courses until that point when they all converge. It didn't stay too crowded for long, but it was kind of odd since you expect to be a bit crowded at the start of a race but it's an unusual feeling once you've settled into your pace. (It did also result in another wave of energy, not quite comparable to the start though.)

Also, the bags are a good size, with a drawstring. I'd say something like what you might get to take home your new running shoes from the store, perhaps a little larger than that.
Click to view bostontodd's profile Amateur 31 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Oct 11, 2007 7:16 PM in response to: HokieNC065
I agree with what most everyone said, except for one thing. While it's true that the orange start does not marge with the blue and green starts until mile 8, the blue and green starts merge together after mile 3. It isn't that big a deal though because it's all along 4th avenue, which is very wide and has plenty of room.

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Click to view OR1105's profile Pro 75 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
9. Oct 12, 2007 11:45 AM in response to: HokieNC065
Sorry for the confusion. Can you tell that I was in the orange corral? I thought the merge was noteable and relevant to the quesiton, but as stated, not a very big deal and the crowded result does not last long.

Good luck and enjoy the race. IMHO, the people and the city make it an incredible experience.
Click to view JPGarland's profile Legend 780 posts since
Dec 7, 2007
10. Oct 12, 2007 4:56 PM in response to: HokieNC065
That merge at 8, by the Brooklyn Academy of Music, is a big deal as things narrow, although I haven't been there with the big crowds.

If it's a bit chilly, most people take a long sleeve shirt to the start, and discard it to the side shortly before the horn; they all go to charity. Some guys bring-wide mouthed bottles as well and discard them to the side beforehand as well. Long pre-race lines at the port-o-sans.

You have to fill your bag -- I had a lot of stuff in mine -- and then bring it to the appropriate UPS truck a while before the start. (The trucks are lined up along the Park Drive starting about 1/4 mile north of the finish line.) Err on the side of underdressing, as it warms up on the course. Put the other stuff, except for that long sleeve shirt, in the bag.

Take water at every stop; they come every mile after 2 (except on the 59th Street Bridge), with Gatorade as well every 2 miles. There is also a Gel stop at mile 18; if you train with Gels, remember the color of the label for flavors you've used and grab that one (for me it was the blue of vanilla or the red of strawberry; I got the blue).

Most important thing: From a sign I unfortunately did not see in 2006: "Take it easy, it's not a 10K." The crowds on 4th Avenue in Brooklyn are unbelievable and can really push you too hard without you even noticing (even when you're checking you splits). The first 2 miles will give strange splits because of the bridge and the traffic. Focus on pace when you hit 4th Avenue and take it easy.

I hesitate about giving this final bit, but here goes. If you need to stop late in the race to gather yourself, it's not the end of the world. A few seconds, walk a little, catch the breath, and start up again. No need to panic. In 2006, I did it at 21, 23, and 24.5. But, remember, I hadn't seen that "not a 10K" sign.

Good luck and have fun.
Click to view miles99999064's profile Expert 50 posts since
Jun 27, 2002
12. Oct 15, 2007 2:41 PM in response to: HokieNC065
Hokie,
This going to be my 4th NYC. Here are my responses to your questions as well as responses to some comments:

1) Start - Blue and Orange up top, Green below. Someone mentioned getting "****** on", urban legend. Most people pee once they get over the bridge. If you are in the Green start and are worried about a golden shower, run on the inside of the bridge. Only bad thing with that is you might not have a strong signal for your Garmin.

2) Gear bags are pretty big, about the size of a big Target bag or something along those lines. Definitely bring a blanket or something since everytime I have done the race it has been friggin' cold at the start. Bring something to read, music to listen to, etc. The wait before the start is the worst part of the day.

3) Bridge is crowded like everyone has said. I am usually crossing the start line within 2- 5 minuest of the gun going off. FYI, last year my first mile was around 9:00 (uphill over the bridge) and my second mile was 7:20. I eventually settled into about an 8:30/M pace after that.

4) You should be able to settle in around mile 3, at least that has been my experience. Water stops can be a bit hairy, stay in the middle of the street and try to get water/gatorade at the end of the tables.

Lastly, when I ran NY back in 2002 I somehow ended up in a corral with runners much faster than me. At first it was great, I was running really well but by mile 17 I was toast and crawled across the finish line (totally spent from pushing myselt too hard to keep up). Remember it is always better to be passing people throughout the whole race rather than being passed. I ended up running the pace of the people around me in '02 and not the pace I planned. I thought I could hold it for 26.2 miles but I was wrong. Psychologically, it is a boost to be always passing people, so don't hurry to the starting line just to get started sooner and hope to avoid the crowdes. Just my 2 cents.

Good luck Hokie!

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Click to view qtownrunner's profile Pro 68 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
13. Oct 15, 2007 7:47 PM in response to: HokieNC065
What is the policy for portable music players? If they are not allowed, is the policy strictly enforced?

I think there was an article in Runner's World recently where the writer was talking about filling up his iPod for the NYC marathon. Maybe not, though.

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