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Click to view margaritaville's profile Rookie 2 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
15. Nov 6, 2007 11:02 PM in response to: Timbodeener
This is going to sound a little crazy, but during the week I actually kind of prefer the treadmill. I can just zone out, watch some hockey or football on tv and burn some calories in the process.

I live in the city and don't like running in my neighborhood. Too many cross streets, cars, etc. to throw off my concentration. On the weekends, it's nice to drive down to the lake for a good run outside, but that's about it for me.

When I run, I'm usually not training for anything specific...I just enjoy being active and I feel good after a 3 or 4 mile run.

A treadmill's also kind of nice when the day is incredibly busy and I can wind down with a run at 9:00 at night instead of going outside in the dark.
Click to view dynamite238's profile Expert 57 posts since
Oct 2, 2007
16. Nov 7, 2007 6:54 AM in response to: Timbodeener
With the change to standard time, I have been about 50-50 treadmill and outside. I ran 50 miles last week.

Recently, I acquired a footpod for my Garmin 305. I have used it several times and feel the accuracy is pretty good, although not as good as in GPS mode.

Using the footpod, I find that treadmills i use are slower than they actually state. I have run on cheaper, smaller belt ones -- which seems to reflect the worst accuracy. I have also run on larger belt ones at the gym for higher-end treadmills. The accuracy seems to be closer to the Garmin in the high-end case, although the speed on the Garmin still registers a slightly slower speed than the treadmill is reflecting.

I run outside for speed and distance and inside for time and recovery. I can run on the treadmill for some length of time at an easy pace with less pounding than outside for my rest days and ensure I haven't gone too fast for adequate recovery.

I do long runs and intervals outside as well as mix in some easy runs. The nice thing is that adding treadmill runs have improved my recovery from the quality runs. This is because the treadmill is constant while outside I tend to run much faster all the time. Because of treadmills, I am able to run 6 -- 7 days a week as long as some of them are 1 hour or less at a recovery pace.

Next week, I will try adding a hill workouts via the higher-end treadmill. I once read that some coaches use treadmills for hill work to ensure their athletes don't get injured from running downhill. I hope this will make up for the lack of hills in this location.
Click to view Gumbee's profile Pro 88 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
17. Nov 7, 2007 4:59 PM in response to: Timbodeener
Tim,

I'm only asking this question because there was an article similar to this in a recent running magazine: What did/do you have the incline set at?

The author of the story had just bought a state of the art treadmill, yet could not finish his runs before he ran out of gas. After complaining to his wife after the third or fourth aborted run, she walked over, looked at the treadmill, and commented that he may find his runs easier if he reduced the incline from the 4% it was set at.

Other then that, I probably average 50% of my miles treadmill versus outdoors. I don't find one significantly harder (or easier) than the other.

Run on!
Click to view velbg's profile Amateur 26 posts since
Feb 25, 2007
18. Nov 7, 2007 6:55 PM in response to: Timbodeener
I also hate to run on the treadmill. I only run on it a few times a year so I never get used to it. I run a 19 min. 5K on roads but I feel like I'm racing when I run an 8 min. pace on the treamill. As others have mentioned, I think I take really small steps on the treadmill because I'm afraid of falling off and breaking my neck. A mile on a treadmill feels like an hour on the road. Plus when I'm done, I don't feel like I've ran anywhere and I feel guilty counting my treadmill miles in my running log.
Click to view milkbaby004's profile Legend 464 posts since
Jul 28, 2003
19. Dec 26, 2007 7:21 AM in response to: Timbodeener
I use a number of treadmills at the gym, and I notice that many of them are not calibrated the same, as the perceived effort at the same speed settings are completely different!

As mentioned before, the TM tends to soak up some of your energy when the treadmill belt deforms to your footstep versus when you run overground. Additionally, it tends to be a lot hotter indoors on a TM than outdoors, and heat buildup is a huge limiter in distance running. You might want to consider cranking up the air conditioning and aiming a fan at yourself when you run on the TM indoors.

Another consideration is the length of your warm up. It takes a little bit of time for your body to warm up the muscles and increase the blood circulation needed for running. When you run outside, you probably unconsciously start out slow to warm up, but indoors on a TM, you may ramp your speed up much quicker which makes for a much tougher effort. When you start out too fast, it saps a lot of your energy, and going too fast early is detrimental to the rest of your run -- similar to going out much too fast in a race.

Edited to add: Even with these problems, I still think running on the TM can be a great part of your training. Last year and this year I did a whole bunch of long runs (18 miles or longer) on the TM and ran a terrific marathon past February. I personally like it for adding in variety in training terrain, as most of my running is on pavement, so running on the TM lets me do some running on a softer surface and helps with injury avoidance.

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Click to view ATLrunner's profile Pro 159 posts since
Sep 4, 2007
21. Nov 7, 2007 8:25 PM in response to: Timbodeener
If you keep up with it for a while, the akwardness will pass. I run a fair amount on the TM during the summer heat and I find it very difficult at first. It just feels so unnatural, and my form suffers. After a while, you'll get used to it and be able to stride normally. It should feel about the same then if you keep it at a slight incline. Easier if you leave it flat. Interestingly, if I run exclusively on a TM for a while, I get the same feeling of akwardness when I go back outside.

If you're interested, try running half your run outside then immediately run the other half on the TM, or vice versa. It really emphasizes how different the motions are. It feels very weird.