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Click to view scott3294's profile Expert 59 posts since
Oct 25, 2007

Nov 9, 2007 11:03 AM

How far for tempo runs?

What distance should a temp run be. My typical run is anywhere from 4 to 6 miles at about 75% heart rate which works out to about 8:45 per mile.

For a tempo run, my pace needs to be about 7:30 based on McMillan, so the remaining question is...how far at that pace?

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Click to view mrinertia's profile Legend 1,356 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Nov 9, 2007 11:13 AM in response to: scott3294
It depends on what distance you're training for. For starters, I think a 1 mile warmup, 2 miles at tempo and a 1 mile cooldown would be a good place to start.
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3. Nov 9, 2007 12:03 PM in response to: scott3294
What are you basing your time off of for a tempo pace of 7:30?

If your easy runs are 8:45, then tempo should generally be a bit faster than 7:30 I would think.

Most of my runs are in the 8:30-9:00 range, and my temp pace is 6:40 to 7:00 depending on the duration and terrain, etc.

For distance, I usually stick to 3 to 4 miles.
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4. Nov 9, 2007 12:08 PM in response to: scott3294
Most people say that tempo runs should be run at a pace that you could maintain for about an hour. For most of us that's somewhere between 10K and 15K race pace.

5K pace is clearly too fast. This is what Intervals are typically run at (at most! and sometimes a little slower than that).

As for tempo distance, most like to run then for 3 to 4 miles with an appropriate warm up and cool down of course..

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5. Nov 9, 2007 12:22 PM in response to: scott3294
I believe the standard Daniels continuous tempo run is 20-40 minutes at a pace you could, in a race, maintain for an hour. Lots of people use the term differently though. Read A Tempo Run by Many Other Names[/URL" target="_blank">.
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6. Nov 9, 2007 12:28 PM in response to: scott3294
A true tempo run will be 3-4 miles depending on your speed. This is fine for 5Ks.
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8. Nov 9, 2007 2:02 PM in response to: scott3294
quote:<HR>Originally posted by AndyHass:
A true tempo run will be 3-4 miles depending on your speed. This is fine for 5Ks. <HR>


I concur with this.
Arthur Lydiard once told me that a good way to get an 'effort' run in was get the athlete to run a course they enjoy for 20 minutes. The effort they make should be>> as they get to the 20 minute mark they should feel a little tired but feeling as though they could carry on or could have done it a little faster.
Each week they should aim at taking say 5 or so seconds off that time.
The run should be steady not varied pace.
Under no circumstances should it be 'raced'.

I have done this on many occasions with athletes who are 'cut' for time with their training. It has been most successful.

If you want more clarification, yell out !

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9. Nov 9, 2007 2:58 PM in response to: scott3294
Sorry, this may have been posted above already. Tempo runs according to Daniels should be about 20 minutes at a pace you could handle in a race for about an hour. His programs allow you to extend your tempo runs out to 40 minutes, assuming you slow the pace accordingly. His book (and presumably website) have all of the correct paces for each time extension.
This site may help get you started...http://runworks.com/calculator.html

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10. Nov 9, 2007 3:09 PM in response to: scott3294
I'm no expert, Scott, but I'll share with you my thoughts. They might be helpful, since you and I might be similar runners.

I am 40 and have been running for about six years. For quite a few years now, my "basic" run is 4.5 miles. I usually run that at around 8:30-8:40/mile. Unless I am in a marathon buildup (I have run 3), I usually run about 25 miles in a week. In 2005, I added a once a week "tempo" run during which I ran 2.6 miles in approx. 18:40-19:00 (7:10-7:20). Up through 2006, my best 5K was 20:19.

In late 2006, I added a once per week day of intervals (mostly 800 meters in approx. 3:20 (6:42 pace)), and, in 2007, I changed my tempo route and I now go 3 miles in approx. 21:40 (7:13/mile); that route includes a gradual one-mile climb that takes about 7:30-7:40 (so, for the other 2 miles, I am running approx. 7 flat). Although I haven't done any marathons this year, I have been doing weekly 12-mile long runs at 8:50-9:00 pace.

This year, I have set several 5K PRs including my last 5K, run one month after my 40th birthday, in which I ran 18:44. I'm faster now than I've ever been in my life! I'm giving you a larger picture than you asked for, in part to explain the other things that are going on surrounding my tempo runs.

Tempo runs are basically designed, as I understand them, to increase your lactate threshhold. For a 5K, I don't think you need to run any more than 20 minutes at tempo to accomplish what you need to accomplish. What you did at lunch was great. Don't go slower, don't go faster. Keep doing that. If you want to run faster for the 5K, in my opinion you'd be better off adding some speed work/intervals to your training than in increasing the distance of your tempo run. When you train for a 10K, half marathon or marathon, then you can start increasing your tempo length/distance.

By the way, I couldn't run 7:00-7:15 for one hour during my training. But I do think I could run that pace if I tapered and raced it. I say that just for perspective because you said that you didn't think you could hold your pace today for a full hour. I couldn't have held my tempo run pace this morning for a full hour either. Just sayin....

Good luck!