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Nov 11, 2007 12:02 PM

question on getting faster

Good morning. I come with a question of course. When I am running doing fartlek training I feel as though I am cutting my self short. Most of my runs are done at the same speed so I am training for this 1/2 marathon in March and am trying to incorporate running with getting faster

. How am I supposed to do fartlek when If I am going four miles that feels like it takes everything out of me. I guess my true question is should I do fartlek like on off days and just do a mile or so of fartlek training? I am told that fartlek doesn't need to be any longer than 30 min.

I am a 31 y/o female.
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1. Nov 11, 2007 12:46 PM in response to: Guest
How many miles a week are you running?

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Click to view Kevin E. Stroud's profile Legend 512 posts since
Oct 27, 2007
2. Nov 11, 2007 1:57 PM in response to: Guest
H31-

What's your training look like overall?

I'm usually training for distances longer than a half-mary, but all the training plans I've seen incorporate weekly runs at multiple paces (tempo runs, general aerobic, recovery, etc.)

What you might need is a "generally accepted training plan" to follow that incorporates these paces, as it'll have training that'll increase your speed (VO2Max) to improve your overall performance.

Check out the "Mainstream Racing" forum for suggestions along those lines.

Regards,

kestrou
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Nov 24, 2006
3. Nov 11, 2007 2:26 PM in response to: Guest
You are going to get varying opinions on this question, particularly since you didn't give any information regarding how often or how many miles you currently run. Some may even say that you shouldn't even be thinking about speedwork if you aren't currently running 35+ miles a week for the last 6 months! But I am going to give it a try....
Given that you said you feel tired after doing four miles and farlek work would seem difficult, the solution may be as simple as just slowing down on those four mile runs. Most runs should almost be done at a conversational pace, meaning that you shouldn't be short of breath or unable to carry a conversation. If you're training for your first half marathon your schedule should include at least two days of easy running (conversational pace) a week, one day where you would do some speed work (farlek, tempo or distance repeats), and your long run on the weekend that would be even slower than the weekly easy days.
You have to introduce any type of speedwork gradually since the risk of injury increases if done too fast, too often, or too long. My suggestion would be to do something like this: Take one day during the week, warm up for a couple of miles very easy, then run at a pace that you could not hold a conversation at for two minutes (you shouldn't feel like you're going to puke, that would be too fast), recover by jogging slowly for the same two minutes, then repeat. Do two of those the first week and see how you feel. Gradually you can increase the amount that you do and the length of time. If you can, do this at a track or a park that has softer trails rather than on a street, just easier on the body.
Again, given what you offered, this would be how I would start out. Good luck and keep us up to date.
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Dec 14, 2007
4. Nov 11, 2007 5:37 PM in response to: Guest
I would agree that we definitely need lots more info.

How may miles per week?

Current training pace? And current goal pace?

How long is your base phase? Why are you doing speedwork/peak work now when your goal race is in March?

You should almost never feel like you are unable to do the same workout again. It sounds as though you are doing speedwork more than once or twice a week. I would bet your current mileage does not support this type of training. And with a goal race 5 monthas away, you should stick to basebuilding right now. If you have been running for years on end, a tempo run a week might be ok, but interval.fartlek stuff is for peaking. you don't want to peak now.

Read Daniel's Running Formula. It will explain all of this stuff, plus more.



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5. Nov 12, 2007 9:13 AM in response to: Guest
So you're wondering whether or not to do speedwork, when you already find 4 mile runs demanding enough. This pretty well answers your own question. Keep working on getting your runs up there in distance. My speedwork sessions are usually 7-8 miles in total length. When you're comfortable with 5 mile runs at your 'normal' pace, and you can do longer runs longer than that at a slower pace, maybe then poke in some speed.

All that said, it won't hurt you to pick it up now and then during your current runs, and fartlek runs will probably fit your needs quite nicely.
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6. Nov 12, 2007 9:49 AM in response to: Guest
quote:<HR>Originally posted by hopper31:
Good morning. I come with a question of course. When I am running doing fartlek training I feel as though I am cutting my self short. Most of my runs are done at the same speed so I am training for this 1/2 marathon in March and am trying to incorporate running with getting faster

. How am I supposed to do fartlek when If I am going four miles that feels like it takes everything out of me. I guess my true question is should I do fartlek like on off days and just do a mile or so of fartlek training? I am told that fartlek doesn't need to be any longer than 30 min.

I am a 31 y/o female.
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Hopper (grass?):

Doing fartlek for only a mile would probably not going to cut it. It would take at least a mile to warm-up. But I don't see any reason why not be able to do farlek "type" workout on your longer runs of 4-mile or so. Find undulating trail or golf course; go by how long you run totally rather than going after mileage--say, go and run for 45 minutes, gradually working your way up to an hour or more.

Now understand the meaning of "fartlek"--it's a Swedish word for "Speed Play"; so you are totally inhibited with structure; go strictly by how you feel; not with watch or garmin or whatever. Just 2 days ago, I hopped on a treadmill; I usually increase the speed quite nicely but this particular day, I was feeling sluggish. I pushed the pace up in the first 25 minutes only to find out that I was actually "pushing" it so I backed down. Well, what do you know; after 40+ minutes, I finally loosened up and started to get faster naturally. Now that's what you want. Listen to your body and speed up here and there; slow down for recovery and DO THAT UNTIL YOU RECOVER!!! Another advantage of doing fartlek this way is that you're going up and down the hill. Don't try to run up the hill FAST but HARD. Concentrate on correct running techniques and feel the legs do the work. Stride down the hill FAST to work on your leg speed; then slow down to the jog for recovery... This is the way fartlek should be run.

At your level right now (4 mile being a long run???), I don't see any reason why not do it this way. Once you get up to more mileage, you might want to distinguish long run from fartlek but right now, why not!? I took my girl yesterday for a 2-hour run. It so happened that the course we ran was a very rugged cross country course and there were plenty of ups and downs. I'll bet she hates me for that (and on this one hill, she did tell me that the did!). Naturally, we slowed here and there for recovery. Our legs were absolutely shot at the end of the run but that was one **** of a run. We don't do it this way all the time, but there's nothing wrong with doing it this way either. Of course, if you're a beginning runner, trying to get it up to 2-hours, this is not the way to go about...
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7. Nov 12, 2007 1:00 PM in response to: Guest
Ok, So lots of questions to answer. First off I have been running for about a year. I have never had a racers goal to become a marathon runner( for me that won't happen) but I have this urge to run a 1/2 marathon and since March is a ways to go I felt I would have enough time.

My weekly mileage varies from 18-20 miles per week. I know I should be running more but I think with the right goals I can train myself to do this. My pace is usually 10 min mile 5.5 on the TM.

Am I selling myself short or is this feasable?