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69 Replies Last post: Dec 1, 2007 1:12 AM by litefoot   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 5 Previous Next
Click to view kerfwango's profile Pro 127 posts since
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45. Nov 16, 2007 2:20 PM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
quote:<HR>Originally posted by MrPHinNJ:
This is the point. It's not about the iPod, it's about the folks that use them. Taking the iPod away won't solve the problem.
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Exactly.
Click to view Foxdog449's profile Amateur 30 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
46. Nov 16, 2007 6:28 PM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
I have never ran with music but would kind of like to at times but since i run in rural areas I want to be able to hear mainly because of wildlife for my safety. I read recently that this lady was running and a deer ran across the road and ran over her like playing football. I bet she had an ipod on or she would have heard the dang deer coming. I don't know this for fact but I thought of music when i heard the story on the news. Like i said I need to hear due to coyotes, wild dogs,deer, etc.I don't think at the track it would matter though, but to each his own so i'm kinda neutral on the subject. Foxdog449
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Nov 20, 2007
47. Dec 26, 2007 7:32 AM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
quote:<HR>Originally posted by TitanicExplorer:
I have never understood people who listen to music when they run..why not bring along a mini tv as well?
Are you out to run, or listen to music? Which is it? It can't be both...
People with ipods are as annoying and oblivious as people who walk around on their cellphones..

I've had a runner wearing an Ipod into run into me, and i was standing still...

If you have a scenic running route, that should be sufficient entertainment...

I have seen runners with ipods nearlly get clipped by cars becuase they were oblivious-
I just think IPODS are a total distraction noit just from running, but from ones surroundings...
If a runner craves music, they can sing to themself..

http://This message has been edited by TitanicExplorer (edited Nov-15-2007).
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Bleh.....what's your point? I can run 20+ miles with music, or without. What the **** does music have to do with being aware of your surroundings? I run on a greenway on the weekends, and although I may be listening to music, I'm still more aware of what is going on than 90% of the people there. People letting their dogs take up the entire path, people walking on the wrong side, people yapping on their cell phones, people letting their 32310 kids on training wheels flail around unsupervised. The list goes on and on.

I see oblivious people when I'm driving my car every day....I see them shopping....they are constantly in my way when I try to buy groceries.

Get the point?

It's not about music players...it's about people. They are generally oblivious of their surroundings, much less anyone else that might be interacting or wanting to use said surroundings.
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48. Nov 19, 2007 10:31 AM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
For me personally, I find listening to my ipod a great addition to my running experience. I wouldn't be an avid runner if I didn't love the actual running so it's not like i'm just out there to listen to music. But what's wrong with combining 2 things I love into one great workout? If you don't like listening to music when you run nobody says you have to. But seriously what gives anybody the right to tell someone else what they can and can't do when they run?

I get it that you've had some bad experiences with some ipod users, so it's natural for you to have a negative opinion of them. But i'm here to tell you flat out, not all ipod users are unsafe. Some are very safe and you wouldn't even notice they were listening to music because they are fully alert and aware of their surroundings.

Instead of just raging at all ipod users about how dangerous and distracting they are, why not talk about a few things the ipod users can do differently so they get what they want, and at the same time they don't take away from your running experience?

1) volume low, or use 1 earphone
2) Music off in early stages of any race due to congestion
3) Music off when passing through any rest areas, or areas with heavy traffic.

You do realize that ipods are easy to use right? It's not like you turn it on and are stuck with it. You can actually turn it on and off and adjust volume in fractions of seconds you know.
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49. Nov 19, 2007 10:59 AM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
Dean Karnazes listens to his iPod sometimes. You dare criticize the Ultramarathon Man?

What business of it is yours that people listen to music or not? What about conversation? You want to ban all talking too? What about thinking of thoughts non-running related?
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50. Nov 19, 2007 11:37 AM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
Ok I have issues with iPods. They're little pieces of transluscent and colorful plastic gadgets. They're overpriced, overhyped, mp3 players. They're so many better players out there. I run with my sony Walkman phone that outdoes anyones iPod.

It's not really Apple's fault, they're supposed to market their doodads and make you think you have the greatest. The issue is not whether you're oblivious to a race director or not, the truth is that you might be oblivious to better value sense.
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51. Nov 19, 2007 12:06 PM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
If I had to run in traffic, I probably would not ipod.

People who run long ultra's should use discretion, but marathon or less distance races. I'd vote against Ipod.

But sometimes I love running through the woods listening to music.
.02,
jjj
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52. Nov 19, 2007 4:05 PM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
quote:<HR>Originally posted by dg12:
Ok I have issues with iPods. They're little pieces of transluscent and colorful plastic gadgets. They're overpriced, overhyped, mp3 players. They're so many better players out there. I run with my sony Walkman phone that outdoes anyones iPod.

It's not really Apple's fault, they're supposed to market their doodads and make you think you have the greatest. The issue is not whether you're oblivious to a race director or not, the truth is that you might be oblivious to better value sense.
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sounds like someone's jealous. it's a lot more than an ipod. While I'm sure there are players out there with more features, when you look at the complete package, itunes, player, itunes store, stability and ease of use, availability of 3rd party compatible products it's a no brainer in terms of value.

enjoy your Zune, walkman, whatever hahahahah
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53. Nov 19, 2007 5:32 PM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
If someone wears headphones while training, so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else, who cares? But it is the race director's business and other runners' business when people's listening to music causes them to be distracted enough to disrupt someone else's race. What's that old saying - ?Your right to swing your fist stops where my face begins?? Your right to wear headphones in races stops when it disrupts someone else's race, whether it's the race director (and that includes his ability to get insurance) or the volunteers or other runners on the course. If headphone wearers didn't cause disproportionately a whole lot more problems than the headphone-free, do you really think there would be such an issue about their use? In my experience (and I have a lot more than most posters both as a runner and a volunteer), the problems I have seen have been almost exclusively caused by people wearing headphones.

Of course, not every headphone wearer is distracted enough to be unaware of their surroundings, and not all will cause a problem. For instance, two people in my club run with headphones. We have tried to get the attention of one of them more than once by shouting, going out into the street and waving wildly - nothing works short of making physical contact. The other usually sees us before we see her, or turns immediately if we call out, no problem in knowing what's going on around her. Problem is, there's no way to tell who will and who won't cause a problem, so it's easier to ban all headphone use to eliminate the problems.
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54. Nov 20, 2007 9:02 AM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
quote:<HR>Originally posted by maryt:
Problem is, there's no way to tell who will and who won't cause a problem, so it's easier to ban all headphone use to eliminate the problems. <HR>


Nice. Same logic is being applied by many ppl trying to get bikes/two wheeled vehicles off the roads. A few cause problems (run lights) so ban them all.

The easiest solution is rarely the right one. Too bad you want to take the easy way out.
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55. Nov 20, 2007 10:51 AM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
Headphones should be banned in races for all the reasons maryt has pointed out, but it's not worth getting annoyed at the joggers who wear them. Most wearers aren't a problem, but those that are are easily dealt with. Say you're out for a run and are approaching one from behind. You give your normal and respectful "on your left", and move a little off to the side as you would with anyone. If they can't hear you and don't give you the same courtesy, you just buzz by them and scare the **** out of them. Very enjoyable to watch them jump out of their skin. I once had a guy (not wearing headphones but still completely oblivious despite my audible warning) swerve abruptly into me. He caught my shoulder pretty hard and went sprawling. Oh well, I warned you and gave you your share of space so not my problem. The side-walk is for everyone and you have to share.

Bottom line is, whether you wear them or not, you have to be respectful of others. If you are unable to do that while wearing headphones, I won't go out of my way to avoid you. I would encourage others to do the same.
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56. Nov 20, 2007 11:01 AM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
quote:<HR>Originally posted by littlewaywelt:
Nice. Same logic is being applied by many ppl trying to get bikes/two wheeled vehicles off the roads. A few cause problems (run lights) so ban them all.

The easiest solution is rarely the right one. Too bad you want to take the easy way out.
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So what would your solution be?
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57. Nov 20, 2007 11:35 AM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
I have never been beat in a road race with someone wearing/listening to an Ipod, so its cool with me.
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58. Nov 23, 2007 4:32 PM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
I personally couldn't give a hoot if someone runs with an ipod or not. I myself, in spite of being a musician, don't like running with music. And since I run on trails quite a bit, I feel better having all my senses working for me. Many times have I heard the sound of a rattlesnake before I have seen it.
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59. Nov 25, 2007 11:57 PM in response to: TitanicExplorer
Re: IPODS a dangerous distraction from running
I HAVE to run with my MP3 .... i use it for pace ... right, left, right, left right, left, right, left...... :O)