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Nov 25, 2007 1:59 PM

Cold weather

This is my first winter running. Just noticed that my performance is lesser the colder it is, meaning my breathing gets hard faster and I have to slow down to keep that conversational level. Is this normal? I thought that maybe it had something to do with blood vessel constrction, less oxygen reaching lungs?.
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1. Nov 25, 2007 4:00 PM in response to: Guest
If you're in someplace like FL and "cold" is +50F, then no, it's probably not common and most will run faster at those temperatures than at +90F.

If you're someplace where "cold" is 0F or colder, then yes, it's common to be slower.

L. Armstrong's book on "Performance in Extreme Environments" suggests that VO2max is lower in cold temperatures (not sure he gave a range). Also the additional weight of clothing and friction from clothing may affect speeds. As would snow, ice, etc, frequently associated with cold.

And if you're someplace that's having +20F or colder temperatures, please send to southcentral Alaska. (kinda a funky borderline state that's neither summer nor winter)
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2. Nov 25, 2007 5:52 PM in response to: Guest
As the temperature drops the air gets more dense so more oxygen actually reaches your lungs. If you are slowing you may be over dressing so you get too hot and the extra weight of the clothing may also slow you down. On the other hand, if your legs are cold, the muscles won't function effectively and that can also slow you down. I don't normally notice any change until the temps dip into the single digits.

If you are properly dressed, you should be cold for the first mile or so and comfortable after that.

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3. Nov 25, 2007 7:23 PM in response to: Guest
Cold weather by itself doesn't usually slow me down. But when it gets really cold, like below 0F, the layers of clothes I wear might slow me down.

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4. Nov 26, 2007 5:49 PM in response to: Guest
Thanks guys, I live in Philadelphia, dressing appropiatly is a challenge for me. the past week we had temps in the high 50's in the morning, and by 8pm it was in the low 30's. i think I have been over dressing, being comfortable when I start and then pealing or un zipping as I get hot. That was the first clear advice I have gotten.
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5. Nov 26, 2007 10:46 PM in response to: Guest
quote:<HR>Originally posted by pwadlinger:
i think I have been over dressing, being comfortable when I start and then pealing or un zipping as I get hot. <HR>


If you need to "peel", you are definitely over dressing. You should never need to remove anything. For a run at 50F I would wear shorts and a singlet. At 40F I would switch to tights and a long sleeve running shirt (short sleeves if it was sunny).

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6. Dec 26, 2007 7:53 AM in response to: Guest
quote:<HR>Originally posted by figbash:
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What's that saying about "never say never" or "never say always".

Weather can be quite variable over a couple hours and or few miles - at least where I live. I won't leave home without a shell in winter, and I'll usually start wearing it, rather than tieing it around waist, then peel it when I'm adequately warm, if I reach that stage.

Layers with zippers are great to zip/unzip or peel / put back on as conditions change or as I warm up (or cool down if things go wrong).
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7. Nov 27, 2007 10:58 AM in response to: Guest
Extra weight from extra layers, the restriction of movement from those extra layers, footing, extra warm-up time...it all comes into play.
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8. Nov 27, 2007 11:19 AM in response to: Guest
Something to consider that nobody's mentioned is asthma. Many people will get asthma symptoms exercising in the cold even though they're not otherwise asthmatic. It can range from a full-blown asthma attack to a bronchial constriction that's barely noticeable but will definitely slow you down. You might ask your doctor about it.
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9. Nov 27, 2007 1:11 PM in response to: Guest
I can't help you with your layers, I think that's a matter of personal preference and experimentation. I would add to the others suggestions, as minmal clothing as possible and if under 40 degrees, add first lightweight hat and breathable gloves. If you aren't already, try breathing in through the nose, to warm the air before it hits the lungs, then exhale out the mouth. Good luck!
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10. Dec 26, 2007 7:53 AM in response to: Guest
quote:<HR>Originally posted by figbash:
As the temperature drops the air gets more dense so more oxygen actually reaches your lungs. If you are slowing you may be over dressing so you get too hot and the extra weight of the clothing may also slow you down. On the other hand, if your legs are cold, the muscles won't function effectively and that can also slow you down. I don't normally notice any change until the temps dip into the single digits.

If you are properly dressed, you should be cold for the first mile or so and comfortable after that.

Tom

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Its good advice, but the relationship between air temperature and performance is hardly linear. When your body temperature drops below 98.6°F, it requires 15 to 20 percent more oxygen to maintain the same pace. What's really going to help in this situation is training in cold weather.



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11. Nov 29, 2007 9:00 PM in response to: Guest
quote:<HR>Originally posted by JimR:
Extra weight from extra layers, the restriction of movement from those extra layers, footing, extra warm-up time...it all comes into play.<HR>


I'm in NJ and I too slow down a bit over the winter for these reasons. Two more for me would be darkness and wind. Weekdays I run after work and when we are on standard time it's dark out by the time I go out ... and this time of year there are more fronts going through and there seem to be more windy days. Sometimes I feel like I'm running in place.

All this said I don't let the slowing down bother me since it's not racing season for me. Winter for me is all about getting enough mileage in so I am ready to go when the weather warms in the spring.
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12. Nov 29, 2007 10:31 PM in response to: Guest
A rule of thumb for guaging how to dress for the weather.

Whatever the actual temperature is, add 20 degrees to it and dress as if you will be outside on a picnic.
example:
actual temp is 25 degrees F. add 20 degrees brings the temp to 45 degrees F. Personally, I would wear medium weight long tights, a sleeveless wicking tank liner, long sleeve medium/heavy weight shirt on top, head band, and breathable gloves.

Other guidelines:
40 degrees and warmer: shorts and sleveless/short sleeve top
30-40: light weight tights, long sleeve top
20-30: medium weight tights, sleeveless tank liner (1st layer), medium/heavy weight long sleeve second layer, head band, and gloves
10-20: Heavy tights, sleeveless tank liner, light weight long sleeve second layer, breatheable jacket, hat and gloves.
<10: I'll opt for the elliptical
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13. Dec 2, 2007 6:27 PM in response to: Guest
I just read an article that says running performance goes down as it gets below 36F.

"When your core temperature drops below 98.6°F, your body requires 15 to 20 percent more oxygen to maintain the same pace. This is due, in part, to diminished cardiac output, meaning that the heart pumps less blood. Hemoglobin and oxygen also tightly bind at low temperatures, making it more difficult to extract the oxygen once it's delivered to the muscles. Additionally, you lose energy when you shiver, which uses muscle glycogen that would otherwise be available to the muscles."

It also says you can acclimate to the cold the same as to the heat.


http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-267-269-12331-0,00.html?cm_re=HP-_-In%20This%20Issue-_-Run%20and%20Race%20Well%20In%20The%20Cold[/URL" target="_blank">