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Click to view brown82799's profile Legend 308 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

Nov 28, 2007 4:57 PM

Core exercises - Top 5 list wanted

I wonder if it's possible for the multitude of posters out there to list your top 5 core exercises that you do every few days or whenever, assuming you do them....

Add a bit of detail on how you do them and leave it at that....i would like to adopt some of these but am interested in WHAT makes the most sense, as well as HOW to best do the exercises w/o ripping something....All i do is run/jog roughly 20-25 miles a week if not injured and might up this mileage some next year....

If this suggested topic is ignored, then I'll know not to ever do another pushup....
Click to view otakutie's profile Pro 63 posts since
May 2, 2007
1. Nov 28, 2007 5:28 PM in response to: brown82799
By "core" I'm going to assume that you want a strong torso (i.e., chest, abs, upper and lower back) to aid in your running. I usually do a 3-day split, 2x a week as follows: days 1/4 - chest/back, days 2/5 - shoulders/arms, days 3/6 - legs.

My chest/back routine (sorry, it's not 5 like you wanted but it hits all the key areas):
1. dumbbell chest press
2. dumbbell chest flies
3. straight-arm dumbbell pullover
4. lat pull-downs
5. bent-over rows
6. hyperextensions
(for details on correct form and how to perform each exercise, you can look each up here[/URL" target="_blank">)

I like the above chest/back exercises in addition to ab work to maintain my core. (There is no need to do the above twice a week like I do... it's just that this regimen works for me...). You could start with 1 rep of 8-10 and gradually increase either the weight or number of repetitions.

For ab work, I generally like pilates-based ab exercises. Sparkpeople.com has a great database you can look through to pick and choose your ab exercises, or you could just rent a pilates dvd to get you started. If you want basic ab exercises, crunches and bicycles (crunch position but when crunching, try to touch right elbow to left knee while right leg extended and then touch left elbow to right knee while extending left leg extended) are good to start with. There's a video of how to do a proper crunch and bicycle at runnersworld.com.

Keep the reps low and slow, focusing on proper form. Once you've got the form down, then increase the reps/sets.

If you want to make things super easy or don't want to deal with weights, I highly recommend pilates for building a stronger core. HTH.
Click to view shertz's profile Pro 79 posts since
Nov 4, 2007
2. Nov 28, 2007 5:59 PM in response to: brown82799
I only do abs because I like the ripped ab look. If you hit the Runner World website, they have video's of the 3 main exercises I do. Do these 4X week, eat healthy, and run 30-40 miles/week and you will have ripped abs. Looks good when your outside running with you shirt off.
Click to view melistic's profile Legend 839 posts since
Oct 11, 2007
3. Nov 28, 2007 6:06 PM in response to: brown82799
core.

1)plank
2) v-sit/twist
3)swiss ball standing
4)side plank/stars
5) med ball toss on bosu
Click to view trifecta082's profile Expert 57 posts since
Nov 6, 2006
5. Nov 28, 2007 6:23 PM in response to: brown82799
I figured out a routine with a trainer to get maximum benefit in the minimum time because I enjoy the benefits of working out but really don't enjoy actually doing any of it at all, unlike running. My whole routine is roughly an hour twice a week.

I do a circuit with a set of each exercise in order then I repeat the whole circuit two or three times. I'll do the first set at about 3/4 of max as a warm up. I try to alternate flexors and extensors (i.e. first push, then pull).

1. Chin-ups/Pull-ups - do them full extension from hanging down with straight arms to over the bar and back again to straight arms.
2. Dips - again, full extension, from arms straight to elbows even with shoulders and back again to straight arms.
3. Push-ups - I do them by holding myself up on barbells (or you can buy or make push-up stands) so that, once again, I'm getting as much extension as I can.
4. Captain's Chair - raise legs with knees bent towards chest, then straighten legs to perpendicular and back again.

That's all I do specifically for upper body/abdomen/back. That's only four but I do chin-ups twice (with palms facing forward and then backward) in the circuit so it counts as five.

I also do some leg work as part of the circuit: lunges, one-legged squats, calf and toe raises. I don't want to bulk up so I avoid "pumping" muscles in isolation and try instead to use a full range of motion. A nice thing about this routine is you can do all of it at home with just a chin-up bar and a couple of chairs (but I do it at the gym 'cause I'm there for other reasons anyway).

I think the upper body stuff helps my running somewhat. Mostly I do it to maintain strength and counteract my tendency to weaken in the upper body as I add mileage.
Click to view runawayjesse's profile Legend 538 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
6. Dec 26, 2007 8:01 AM in response to: brown82799
The exercises that got me a 6 pack are-

Weighted leg raises-

Using a roman arm chair start with just your legs but build up to where you can do 10-15 reps with a 20 lb dumbell btw your feet.

Side bends on romam chair-
Again start off with just your body weight and work up to holding a 25 plate behind your head

Weighted crunches-
Using a pulley machine start off with llight weight and increse. Keep your back stright and isolate your upper abs with just a small pulling movement from your abs.

A few key points about abs
- If you want true ab muscles you need to train them just like any other muscle. 2-3 x per week with at least 1 recovery day. Always use a progression overload scheme but never do a weight that you can't get up at least 12 reps as this can be bad for your back. You should do a weight that tires you by rep 15 tops though. When that gets easy you add weight. This 200 crunches per day **** is a complete waste of time you will not build muscle or strength that way for your core.

- Ab muscles can not be completely isolated. All ab workouts hit the upper pretty well regardless. When doing ab workouts always do it in the order of lower, obliques than upper. If you do upper first when you get to the lower you will be tiring the uppers before the lower abs get their workout.

-Switch workouts every 4-6 weeks. You tend to adapt to a certain workout and platue. You might find you can no longer increaase.

I guess I took core as meaning just abs. As for everything else I like doing one leg squats, one leg deadlifts, back extensions, push ups and rows.

Key points on that
- I wouldn't worry about progression overload for these exercises you will gain too much muscle. 15-20 reps is good and will add decent strength for running.

-Always train the opposit muscle to avoid an imbalance. Think push pull. If you train the quad(push)you have to work the hamstring(pull). Do pushups for your chest(push) you need to do rows for your back(pull).

-For running keep try to keep you workouts running specific. One leg squats, one leg stiff dead lifts, dumbell arm swings etc.

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Click to view runawayjesse's profile Legend 538 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
7. Nov 28, 2007 8:48 PM in response to: brown82799
quote:<HR>Originally posted by trifecta:

I do a circuit with a set of each exercise in order then I repeat the whole circuit two or three times. I'll do the first set at about 3/4 of max as a warm up. I try to alternate flexors and extensors (i.e. first push, then pull).

1. Chin-ups/Pull-ups - do them full extension from hanging down with straight arms to over the bar and back again to straight arms.
2. Dips - again, full extension, from arms straight to elbows even with shoulders and back again to straight arms.
3. Push-ups - I do them by holding myself up on barbells (or you can buy or make push-up stands) so that, once again, I'm getting as much extension as I can.
4. Captain's Chair - raise legs with knees bent towards chest, then straighten legs to perpendicular and back again.

That's all I do specifically for upper body/abdomen/back. That's only four but I do chin-ups twice (with palms facing forward and then backward) in the circuit so it counts as five.

I also do some leg work as part of the circuit: lunges, one-legged squats, calf and toe raises. I don't want to bulk up so I avoid "pumping" muscles in isolation and try instead to use a full range of motion. A nice thing about this routine is you can do all of it at home with just a chin-up bar and a couple of chairs (but I do it at the gym 'cause I'm there for other reasons anyway).
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This is actually a pretty cool circuit and probably works well for a runner. What do you mean by " I try to alternate flexors and extensors (i.e. first push, then pull)."

Also do you care to show how you add the lower body stuff in or do you do them as a seperate circuit?
Click to view mrourke's profile Amateur 30 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Nov 28, 2007 11:01 PM in response to: brown82799
I keep it simple:

3 sets of raised legged crunches - right, left, center
72 Bicycles. (36 r 36 l)

Five day a week, usally after a run because I remember to then.
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9. Nov 28, 2007 11:02 PM in response to: brown82799
I do the workout from runner's world along with some others. The captain's chair is a good one. It took me a little bit to get in the swing of it. but I am also semi-out of shape and a short girl. But after about 3 weeks, my core exercises have really improved.
Click to view trifecta082's profile Expert 57 posts since
Nov 6, 2006
11. Nov 28, 2007 11:14 PM in response to: brown82799
quote:<HR>Originally posted by runawayjesse:
This is actually a pretty cool circuit and probably works well for a runner. What do you mean by " I try to alternate flexors and extensors (i.e. first push, then pull)."

Also do you care to show how you add the lower body stuff in or do you do them as a seperate circuit?

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jesse, the credit goes to my trainer who actually listened to what I wanted (and didn't want) and what I was able and willing to devote to a routine. He came up with something that works really well for me.

The push/pull flexor/extensor thing is something he stressed about not exercising the same muscle repeatedly but alternate it with its "opposite". That means do pull-ups after push-ups, not dips, because both dips and push-ups require a pushing motion by the arms. I don't know how important it is particularly since I'm not really doing isolating exercises. One clear benefit for me though is that I can do the circuit faster because I'm not waiting for recovery so much; the "push" muscle rests while I work on the "pull" muscle.

I mix lower body stuff in with upper body, again alternating so that I can keep working without too much down time. I'll do leg work without weights on gym days after long runs and with weights otherwise.
Click to view tox-prof's profile Pro 78 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
12. Nov 29, 2007 12:35 PM in response to: brown82799
FWIW, I do basically the same workout as trifecta listed, 2-3 days per week, usually immediately after a run. I also incorporate no weight leg exercises on a 2-4 day per week basis. Those I actually like doing. Single leg squats, split leg squats, toe raises. I don't want to bulk up my legs, but doing as many single leg and split leg squats as I can for a given set still works the muscle plenty good for my purposes

I've also done the above as a running circuit, doing 1-2 exercises at each 'fitness station' along the path I run, with maybe 3-5 minutes in between sets. I've found that a 10-15 minutes warmup jog helps me to do the exercises better. That is a real good workout, but doesn't give you the satisfaction of a continuous run.
Click to view inactivemind's profile Amateur 20 posts since
Apr 6, 2003
14. Nov 29, 2007 2:54 PM in response to: brown82799
I do 2 for abs:

First one is to lie flat & stretched out (either on a bench or mat but a bench is better because you can't rest your feet on the floor) with arms extended straight out behind the head, & holding a 55cm Swiss ball between my feet. Then you bring your arms & feet upwards simultaneously, grab with your hands the Swiss ball that your feet are bringing up, & then lower both your legs & arms back to the starting position, but with the ball now held in your hands behind your head. You keep on going, the next rep the ball ends up back between your feet, the one after that in your hands behind your head, etc. Seems to be a pretty good workout for both the upper & lower abs.

Second one is to lie with your legs raised & ankles crossed so your thighs are perpendicular to the rest of your body & your knees make another 90 degree angle. Then take a medicine ball (I use 8 or 10 lbs) & hold it in your hands extended behind your head. As you crunch up, bring your arms holding the ball up & place the ball between your knees, then let your shoulders & arms go back down to complete the crunch (the ball stays between your knees). On the next rep, you grab the ball from between your knees as your hands come forward at the top of the crunch, and you take the ball back down behind your head as you finish the crunch.

I usually alternate sets of ab work with pull-ups, which is the only thing I do for my back. So I'll do 10 pull-ups, then 20 reps of abs, then another set of pull-ups, 20 more abs, etc. This lets you give the back & arms a little rest while you're doing the abs & vice versa.

Another way to challenge yourself & make a game out of it is to set a goal of total number of pull-ups (say 50), and after each set, you do a certain amount of ab work. So the more reps you do in each set of pull-ups, the fewer sets of abs you have to do. (Doing 5 sets of 10 pull-ups means 5 sets of ab work, but if you can't complete 10 pull-ups in each set & have to do 6 or 7 sets of pull-ups to get to a total of 50, then you have to do that much more ab work.)