quote:<HR>Originally posted by fredurie:
Tinman coached Sonia O?Sullivan for a period of time.<HR>

Sorry, but that's actually a bit too much of a stretch. Yes, she did corresponded with him but that "relationship" didn't really work out. I know Tinman likes to quote that to promote himself. I'm okay with most of his training philosophy but I do have a problem with his approach to his self-promotion strategy. I "agented" Reiko Tosa last year at Boston and I sent her an encouraging message before she won the bronze medal at Osaka this past summer which might or might not have helped her. But I will not put "coaching the bronze medalist at Osaka World Championships marathon" on my resume. And I'll bet I'm much closer to Reiko than Tinman ever was to O'Sallivan.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by flobaby:
Not to stray too far off the topic, but where'd the Willamona/Tinman beef originate from? So much vitriol in her anti-Tinman sentiments, yet no one seems to agree with her, what's the scoop on that?

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Something to do with her saying she couldn't break 5:30 for the marathon "whatever she did" and him saying she needed to train more.

Nobby, if someone runs 8 weeks @ 120 miles a week while being
"coached" by someone and then switches coaches, the work they did
while under the influence of that coach/adviser, is part of the equation of
their success down the road.

I don't train the Tinman way, but I respect everything about him, and if
he wants to promote himself, good for him.

Kim:

I know all that and, believe me, when I posted the last one, I was thinking about you. I know you respect Tinman a lot and, believe me, I promote the guy as well. I really think he's got a decent idea to share; he seems very genuin to help others, particularly at high school level, and I know he's a big Lydiard advocate. I know him personally and I like him as a person as well (we just quickly exchanged a note or two about his up-coming baby). And, believe me, I didn't really want to bring this up if I could (ask Rengel).

Fred:

Yes, I'd be the one to ask that question if that's what he did with Sonja O'Sullivan. It came up when I was talking to Nic Bideau and the story was quite a bit different (as a matter of fact, more like opposite). I know Tinman helped Kvalheim for the training of Susanne Weigen; Kvallheim told me so and Tinman has every right to promote that and should feel very proud of it. Maybe it's a cultural thing--I had a **** of a time with job interview when I came to the US. Here you have to "exaggerate" and sell yourself. In Japan, that would be considered too much and be frawned upon. I didn't like it when Arthur started saying that he influenced "Ma's Army". But it seems to get a bit too out of hand; that's all.

Also, Fred:

I know if this is letsrun message board, I'd be crucified but this is the truth (I have a witness too from South Carolina). When this guy asked coach Sakaguchi, the guy who coaches Sato who just finished 3rd at Fukuoka and most likely head for Beijing, as well as Ogata, who finished 5th at Osaka, bronze medalist at Helsinki, what his basic training philosophy is. He simply replied "Go get Lydiard's book..." They basically follow basic Lydiard principles of training. As does coach Koide who trained Takahashi (I visited him several times at his house). As does Tosa's coach (he stayed at Lydiard's house for 10 months in 1991). I'm bringing Peter Snell to Japan next March for a series of clinics over there. Federation is involved; we'll have clinics in Osaka, Tokyo and Gunma. He'll be talking about specific training for middle distance training. And I'd be speaking on Lydiard training. After 44 years (Tokyo Olympics), they are still as keen on Lydiardism as they were back then.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by The Mystery Poster:
all about Tinman:

http://www.theleadpack.com/2007/10/in-lead-pack-with-tom-tinman-schwartz.html[/URL" target="_blank"><HR>

Very nice - thanks for posting that link.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by willamona:
Now this is something I can get to reading later.

Oh, and the 5:30 marathon was maryt. I agreed with the s/he needs to train more camp.

I stated in this thread my opinion on Tinman. This article may give me some more insight. But let's just say I have heard some stories similar to what Nobby is relating. Just because you e-mail someone on a friendly basis, does not mean you are their coach. I don't think Tinman has ever said anything about the LHR stuff either good or bad. I just am not a speedwork all year round kind of girl though.

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Mary T's fastest mile ever was 7:13. So calculate her
marathon potential.

If your mile time is 4 minutes, you might feel comfortable training at 5:20 pace.

If your top end is 7:13, what's your training pace and what's
your marathon potential?

quote:<HR>Originally posted by willamona:


Oh, and the 5:30 marathon was maryt. I agreed with the s/he needs to train more camp.

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Apologies.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by willamona:
Now this is something I can get to reading later.

Oh, and the 5:30 marathon was maryt. I agreed with the s/he needs to train more camp.

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Hmmmm.... Did I see my name mentioned?

Yes, if I remember correectly (don't remembr exactly what thread you are thinking about) I was likely posting in general about the many marathon runners I know which includes not only some very speedy folks, but also slower runners such as 5:30 Newbies as well as older runners such as my 60+ husband who ran 4:15 and the 60+ woman club runner who finally managed to BQ by using Galloway's walk-run method and the training methods that I have seen work for all of them (which I believe need to be adjusted to fit the individual) as well as my own training back in the day, and all of sudden I'm portrayed as a current 5:30 marathon runner myself who needs to train more!

Helloooo.... NOT planning on running a marathon myself any time soon, and after having had back surgery and srugery on both knees (probably the fact that I over trained quite a bit for my own body's capabilities rather than undertrained and ignored warning signs contributed) , not likely to run one again unless/until they develop better bionic replacements!