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45. Dec 26, 2007 9:59 AM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
Many thanks for all the encouragements. I will keep you posted about the outcome.

Acidosis, many thanks to you and your gang for organizing tomorrow's race. Where will you be? My guesses for the post-race food are: Erbsensuppe mit Bockwurst oder Schnitzel mit Kartoffelsalat

RG, welcome back to the circus.

Sally, DR: hope you will be better soon.

Mars, enjoy your brunch.


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46. Dec 26, 2007 9:59 AM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
quote:<HR>Originally posted by RalfM:
Many thanks for all the encouragements. I will keep you posted about the outcome.

Acidosis, many thanks to you and your gang for organizing tomorrow's race. Where will you be? My guesses for the post-race food are: Erbsensuppe mit Bockwurst oder Schnitzel mit Kartoffelsalat

RG, welcome back to the circus.

Sally, DR: hope you will be better soon.

Mars, enjoy your brunch.


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Mmm, the soup with sausage and potatoe salad sound good. Actually apparently there is a new traditional German food place on St. Jeans Boul, called Petit München. About the race, I will be on a water station, Hilbilly will be doing the finish line, Speedy and Mikey are both doing registration, you probably won't see them as they are "runners" meaning they go between the registration desks, and the computer room, thus they will be going up and down stairs all day. Now that we are on race day, I will start spilling some of the beans. For the food, from what I've heard, think buffet, and think parfaits. Apparently some people were out painting happy faces on the roads. We're also getting stuff from Saputo. Dragons, it's my sisters who make the brownies. The brownies won't be at the race, probably because we don't have industrial equipment to cook up brownies for a 1000 people. Putting on a race this size (10x anything we've put on before) takes a lot of planning, we even have a refridgerated truck, plus another deep freezer. One of the major hurdles that we faced was having so many type A personalities (most of us are runners) working together. Anyways, I have to start getting ready to go soon.
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47. Jul 31, 2005 6:52 AM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
Acidosis and all Boreal runners : I'm impressed!! You guys are great. I can't wait to read everyone's race report. I will definitely try to get out there next year. I didn't realize you guys were expecting 1000 people... That is one big team effort.

Ste-Anne Coolrunners... : Waiting to read your reports!!! Don't skimp on the food details PLEASE! Have a great race, although you are all probably already on the road.
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49. Jul 31, 2005 9:13 AM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
I'll be ready to start running around 3:00-3:15 this afternoon. This will be my LSD for the week, so I'll be going sloooooow.

Email me your phone number if you are interested, and I'll give you a call around 2:30-2:45.

In the meantime, safe race and fast times to all the racers this morning!

Mars
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50. Jul 31, 2005 10:16 AM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
About St Anne - it was lovely !

Acidosis - tell your fellow volunteers that it was great. No hiccups - smooth sailing. Food was delicious, different stuff. We couldn't find the bottled water ?

Grommit - nice to chat as always, this is your reminder to keep me in mind about MR adventures and anything else you think you might want to throw my way.

Ralf - got my kiss in - didn't see your sweetheart, would have liked to introduce her to my bud - she is so nice.

TB - didn't see you and your friend. Were you there ?

Guys - hope it all went well, I know it must have been hot.

As for me - 4 days into antibiotics for a sinus infection I've dragged for a number of weeks now + the problem leg...slowest finish time for a 5K - but guess what ? ITS FINE. The weather was great, it was so darn nice to be in a race environment and the leg held up for a final kick (my style)...so to quote Grommt: I'm alive

Mars - I saw your post...I would be very slow, maybe too slow for you, in any event - I have to see whats shakin' on the homefront when I get home. And you don't mention your route ?

Have a great week people - August 1st tomorrow, enjoy the heat (I know some of you find it hard) while you can.

Df
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51. Jul 31, 2005 11:19 AM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
Ste-Anne warriors: Wanna hear your stories.

Grommit: Had to wear sunglasses to check your new shoes, man !!

The injured list (rolyone, runningag, Df, sally, doughboy): He who runs and steps away, gets to run another day.

Hurley's on the 9th (or whenever): Won't miss this one for sure.
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52. Jul 31, 2005 12:04 PM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
Moi again. Hadn't seen some of the posts..Gag - nice to see you are back out there, how did this morning run go ? DR ? Must have been nice up in the shade of those huge trees.

DB- you too, hopefully you will be able to get out again this week...but I on the other hand will try and spend more time at the gym or working at home on core, abs, s/t...I dropped everything when the weather got better...

Roly - OUCH ! Ac tendon ..had that experience last year, finally had to stop running for a while - ostéo made it very plain to me..try looking at this site and runners world for tips on how to handle this injury. Maybe some of the more experienced runners on here will wade in.. my increase in mileage is probably what hurt my leg...I also went from 35k week to 50k week...too much of a good thing..

Grommit - you weren`t kiddin' about your shoes, do they glow in the dark ?

Mars -- sent you info.

GOT TO EAT - Df
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53. Jul 31, 2005 12:41 PM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
And a splendid time was had by all !

Ralf Rocks.... made his target with a sprint/smiling finish... nice chat for the first fifteen.... Mr. Hairy ate our dust

TB ... just steams along and looks fresh as a daisy at the end, he beat me by about half an hour at least..... nice going.

A big round of applause for the folks from Boreale, wonderful food & flawless organisation... muchas gracias

As for all the injured amongst us... hurry back !

Chops... you still got my book ?

and as for my race....... the legs worked just fine, I have no idea what my time was.... apart from the fact I deserted Ralf @ 15 and ran raced the last 5 in about 22 .... I then went back for yer man to join him on an inspired finish...

the experiment continues

grommit
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54. Jul 31, 2005 2:59 PM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
Great temperature for a run isn't it?

For my part, went to mt Royal with DR for my first long run of my rebirth. Both of us were recovering after sprained ankles and it went extremely well. Saw many runners but few other people and pratically no bikes (DF would have appreciated). IT's holidays for everybody I guess.

Sally: I might show up but not before 8 Tuesday
Grommit: your pair of shoes is great, very discrete, perfect to get unnoticed

Congrats to those who did St. Anne. But what was that special treat?
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55. Jul 31, 2005 3:10 PM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
Gag - you got quite the memory - me & the bikes ( remind me the next time I see you about a a local bicycle enthusiast *^!@# - putz)

BTW - the treat was a parfait of plain yougurt, topped with either raspberries or blueberries and crunchie granola - the kind of treat I make at home, but in a larger quantity - I mean - larger -big, big bowl

Acidosis - don't take that the wrong way - I realize you can only serve so much to so many people.

O - are you interested in meeting up at around 4 - Mars is coming this way - write me directly.


Df
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56. Dec 26, 2007 9:59 AM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
Good afternoon everybody,

the race day started with some kind of deja-vu. When John and me arrived in the starting area, I realized that I had left my energy-gel in the backpack of Mrs. RalfM. So I jogged back to get it, but I was unable to find her in the crowd. The interesting part of this is that this is exactly the same gel package that I left in Mars' car during the Whiteface race. It must be a cursed package that is not meant to be eaten. When I came back to the starting area, I joined Df and Grommit for a short chat. Sorry Df for being in a hurry. Food you know.

Finally the gun went of and so did we. Grommit and me started with a pace of 5'45" per km, but soon picked up the speed a little bit and settled for a 5'40" pace. As you can imagine, this slow (from his point of view) pace was very realxing for Grommit and he was chatting all the time. Not only with me but with many of the runners we passed. You get the picture? Here we are, runners of the 2h league huffing and puffing along and then there is this guy chatting lightly as if riding the metro: "Well, isn't this a wonderful day for running? What time are you aiming for?". I think (correct me if I'm wrong Grommit) he really had a good time out there. We hit the 5km sign at 28':27" well within my pace limits. Around this time, we met Mr. Hairy for the first time. We had a short incline before us and Grommit decided to make a short energetic sprint. When he passed the runner in front of us, this guy shouted "Wohoo". I followed Grommit less energetically, but still fast enough to overtake this guy (Mr. Hairy) on the incline (overtaking him was not easy since he constantly and unpredictablyt changed his side of the path pushing me nearly into the bushes, twice). On the flat part following the incline Mr. Hairy catched up again with us and started the following short conversation with Grommit: "Eh, doing that again?" - "Sure, how often?" - "Six or seven times, maybe?" - "No problem, see you at the finish line." After this, we had to overtake Mr. Hairy once or twice more. We finally left him behind when we passed a couple of bridges near the turn-around point.

We passed the 10km mark with an average pace of 5'40" per km at 56'44". Up to now, I had had no problems to maintain the pace. Now, however, I became more and more fatigued and had more and more difficulties to keep up the speed. Grommit did not stop to motivate me and pulled me up to the 15km sign which we passed at 1h25'27" , resulting in a pace of 5'45" for the km 10-15. Here,Grommit left me to race the rest of the course. This was absolutely spectacular. He pulled away so fast, that within seconds I only saw a cloud of dust. Do you know the Road-Runner from the Pink-Panther animations? This is about what I saw. For my part, the sixteenth km was the slowest of the whole race, done in 6'14". Afterwards, I had sufficiently recovered to maintain a pace around 6' per km that, so I hoped, would bring me to the finish line between 1h55 and 1h56. However, with 800m to go, Grommit came fetch me and put some fire in my finish. Due to him I overtook the runner I had been following for quite some time (with slowly increasing distance) and sprint over the finish line just below my target time at 1h54'38".

All in all, today has confirmed to me that my biggest problem is my long distance endurance, i.e. the ability to maintain my pace over a long time. However, I think that result would translate to a time below 2h01' on a half marathon which is still 2.5 minutes better than I did in Québec. And that without any tapering.

Grommit, many thanks for the run. It has been a pleasure for me.



Acidosis,many thanks and congratulations to you and your co-workers for the organizations of this race which was well above the standards of the "Circuit Endurance". The post-race strawberries were very welcome (I skipped the yogurt and the granola). Hmmm, parfaits you say? I did not see any of these. Seems that next time I have to finish even earlier. Ah, and yes, me too, I like Brownies.

John, I leave it to you to describe your race. But thanks for sharing the experience.

Take care

Ralf


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57. Jul 31, 2005 4:56 PM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
DF: No problem about the comment about our special treat the parfait. We had managed to make over 700 of them, and I didn't even get one, and apparently they had to improvise in the middle because they ran out of things. Actually any critisism is welcome because it will only make us better. I'll also pass on the message about the bottled water at the finish. We still had water left over, but most of it was on the course. We had a record attendance for this race, with over 800 runners, possibly even 900 runners, were still waiting for the final results. We had a couple of problems on the course, but so far most people are content with the way the race turned out. Anybody catch the all womans water stop decked out in triathlon gear, or the Juicy fruits guy at the sponge station. I appreciate the compliments and thanks we've been receiving, and would be interested in hearing from anyone else who hasn't yet posted about the race.
My Regards
(Now I must wash the Gatorade stains I have from making the stuff.)
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58. Dec 26, 2007 9:59 AM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
Definitely got more than I bargained for.

Thanks again to Ralf and L. who made my participation in this race possible. L. thanks for putting up with my cheesy jokes

Going in my legs felt heavy from an active week of training. Despite having a few minutes to myself to warm up, I just could not establish a comfortable rhythm and proper mindset.

To complicate matters, I bumped into an old friend. With Ralf having disappeared to run his errand. I stayed with him and he choose to line up near the front of the line. In hindsight, that was the worst spot to place myself. Right from the start, I felt someone kicking my heels as the aggressive flock of runners jockied to establish their position.

Having placed myself in the front to be with my running mate proved to be an exercise in abject failure as I never saw him once throughout the entire run. He began running at a modest pace and completed with one as well.

It was psychologically damning to place myself in that section of the line up. Being passed did not bother me that much (I'm used to it ) What I lament is my inability to slow down when my running mates around me are running at a pace that I cannot sustain. It's not that I'm not aware of the swift pace of the pack, (my garmin doohickey served as my sheppard for this run), but perhaps out of pride or vanity that I steadfastly refused to back down. Ugh why in the world do I put myself in these positions?

Once the crowd strung itself out once we left the school grounds and traversed the overpass, it was there that I was finally able to quell that irrational urge to sustain a pace that I knew I could not.

The path was consisted of two loops of a 10km that originated from the school and headed out toward a trail that looped back on to itself prior to us returning back to the school. The relief of ther terrain would be best described as a series of undulating hills. Though gradual or in one form or another (ie. overpass) that were not imperceptible.

The first 10km of the race transpired without incident. I found my way back to the school and found that runners were running all over the place. Instead of running in the right hand side of the road, runners placed themselves any and everywhere. It was a slightly chaotic but manageable.

Upon leaving the school grounds for the second time as I began my second loop of the course, fate struck me...in a big way. At this point in the race runners from the 10km race iin addition the the 20km runners were running the same course. I was headed toward the nature trail when I saw a water station in close proximity. I heard the girl chant out, "water" in successive fashion and I flagged her attention . I was running on the right hand lane of the two way road. I made eye contact with the girl and focus on the handoff. I extended my hand toward her as I drew closer and she took a step from the shoulder of the road opposte to the lane that I was running in order to make the exchange. My focus never left the cup and when the exchange was made, I went numb.

A runner had collided into me. I was stunned and stopped dead in my tracks. We stood infront of each other in a standoffish fashion and and remember having a blank expression on my face. He uttered an expletive in a sigh of resignation and took off. I don't remember the girl saying anything and I found myself slowingly moving again. I was incredulous and thought to myself, "Did what I think happened just occur?" My instinct as I resumed running was to drink the contents of my cup. Nothing was in it, it was empty. Just like myself.

I managed to regain my composure and repress thoughts of what had transpired as at the 12km mark, fatigue had caught up with me for the folly of the starting out too fast. At that moment, I found myself in the trail run segment of the race. I found myself alone for long stretches of this segment of the. Not being used to trail runs, the undulating nature of the course, fear of twisting an ankle, fatigue and not being able to see in the shade with my sunglasses on. I slowed down. I could actually feel myself slow down and could only watch as my breathing was belaboured. ugh, I was fading and in a bad way.

A ring of viscuous membrane formed over my lips and collected at the corner of my mouth. I remember trying to wipe it off with my hand to no avail so I ended up using my singlet as a face cloth. What is that stuff anyhow? Anyone ever have that when they run?

Fortunately I made it to the crest of the hill and had the wisdom to used the downhill segment to recover. This active rest was desperately needed as my pace stabilised and enjoyed not having to exert so much effort.

The city limits were in sight as I made it over the overpass over the freeway (possibly highway 40). At that point, it was still possible for me to realise my time objective for the day. The final overpass over the freeway closed to the school grounds had other ideas. It was just so demoralising as I felt a sense of urgency and despiration conspire to prevent me from succeeding. Time seemed to slow down for that final ascent and instead of accelerating, I slowed to in s deliberate and sustained fashion. Well, at least that's what I keep telling myself anyhow.

Was that was done, I had to pour it on. All my thoughts of fatigue and insecurity became ethereal. It is quite possible that the lack of oxygen contributed to my state of mental numbness that allowed me to, "go for broke" However the mental numbness affected me as I had less than 10m to the finish line.

I recall two volunteers located at the fork of a path to the finish line telling me that one path was for the half finish and the other for the 10km. It didn't make sense to me as still does not as I found out that both races share the same finish line.

In do not recall hearing what they said. I'm sure it was due to my state of fatigue but I ended up going direction at the finish. In a state of despiration I yelled, "half marathon" in an semi-incoherent way and I was redirected to the proper finish. I recall the announcer apologising to me over the,"PA". Just by chance, "L" happened to take a picture of me as I approached this fork in the road. Upon review following this event, I don't think that I completedly at fault:

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Despite all of these challenges I was still able to realise my time objective.

I told my story to the one of the female volunteer at the finish line and we both found that these were events that could have been easily avoided. The waterstation incident could have been avoided if there were volunteers working on either side for the road and for the finish line, if the bib's were color coded, the volunteers would be able to direct me to the proper finish.

As I sat on the grass eating the scrumptious parfait (quite tasty), a runner approached and I feel beneath his shadow. He looked at me with a stern expression on his face and said, "Are you the one I ran into" I took off my sunglasses and looked him steadfastly and said, "yes". At that point we apologised to each other and he told me that I was on the proper lane. I thought that I had drifted over to oncoming traffic but Michel confirmed otherwise. As he was barrelling down the path, he witnessed a human wall emerge out of thin air and by the time he reacted, he only had tiime to side step the volunteer who's back was faced to him and step into my lane where I was.

Ralf, I'm so jealous of you. You had your own personal companion along with way who brought you home safe and sound. Next time, I'm borrowing Grommit's services :P

Grommit. That was indeed a classy thing for you to do to bring him home in style.. Then again, from you, it's not really a surprise:

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All in all, a good run. a few surprises and defnitely a run a won't forget. My running shoes have since expired as I feel a pain on the outside of my respective knees and a soreness from in my shoulder from the body check.

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Regards,

TB

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59. Dec 26, 2007 9:59 AM in response to: kneejerk
Re: Montreal Runners Forum 2005, part IV
1:47:07....... yipeee

31/41 in my age group = self-control for 75% of the race & 100% fun all morning

not to mention my first ever negative split...... by about 10 mins

vermont50 here we come

g



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