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Click to view DawnT071's profile Legend 713 posts since
Oct 31, 2006
601. Oct 17, 2006 9:15 AM in response to: Strep
Great job with all the racing and pacing guys! Good luck in Texas Eddie!!!
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602. Oct 17, 2006 9:22 AM in response to: Strep
I almost forgot - GOOD LUCK IN CHICAGO PATTI!!!! I can't believe it's this coming weekend. Wow! You'll do great.
Click to view CoureurDeBois's profile Amateur 9 posts since
Feb 3, 2006
603. Oct 17, 2006 12:30 PM in response to: Strep
quote:<HR>Originally posted by aurang:
Hey Peter, it looks like you did get under 40. Congratulations; what did you win? I didn't stick around for the awards, but I think I did win something.

My race went well but the course was tougher than I was told. I was on pace through 4 km (15:12), but I really couldn't have afforded anything other than gentle inclines at most. The middle stretch was really tough, with a lot of hills and many, many sharp turns. I ran 39:07, but I could've beaten my previous best (38:40) if that's what I'd set out to do instead of breaking 38. I was 30 seconds ahead of my halfway split from my fastest 10k. Oh well, I ran a better race here anyway. I do have to say that the people at the Zoo Run seem more concerned about putting together a course that's fun to jog through than something that's suitable for racing.
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You're right, my time was 39:46.9, right around what I thought I would do. The first few kms I felt good, but the last half was not pleasant, my legs were very tired. So my strategy became hang on and don't let anybody my age or older pass me. A couple of guys passed me in the last km, something that usually doesn't happen to me in a race, but they weren't in my age group and I was too tired to care.

Congratulations yourself on your 3rd place in M20-24. I didn't see what the prizes were for you young folks and they are not described on the website. For 40+ it was a different set of prizes apparently. I won a 2,500,000 candle halogen search light, that's one bright mega flashlight.

Do you know that you can pick up your prize? To quote the website:
"Don't just win your prize, claim it! Participants have 30 days to claim any prizes.
Awards can be picked up after the event at RCP International, 33 Bloor St. East, Suite 807. Please call ahead to let us know you plan to pick up your award: 416-944-2765 x 503."

As for the course, I agree it can't be a fast one because of all the sharp corners, that's the only part I don't like.
I happen to like all the little up and downhills because I run downhills really well and those gentle hills maximize that ability. That's where I do all my passing. And I like the setting through the zoo paths with the bonus of seeing a lot of animals. I guess we could make use of the website feedback mechanism to complain about the hairpin turns.

Peter
Click to view CoureurDeBois's profile Amateur 9 posts since
Feb 3, 2006
604. Oct 17, 2006 12:54 PM in response to: Strep
quote:<HR>Originally posted by JimR:
39 and a bit..nice job! How were conditions out there, aurang? It was pretty blustery when I was out for my run.

I might've snagged an AG award if I'd run that thing. 2nd in my 45-49 grouping was 42:23....dang!
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Yep, this was the race to snag an award for males 40+.

The big surprise for me was that my time was good enough for 1st in M50-54 and an even bigger surprise when I found out that was 5th Masters ie 40+! Those are really weak times compared to 2004 and 2005, the other times I've run this race, So the fast old guys stayed away from this race this year, don't know why. Most notably Jerry Kooymans, who is the best in Canada in M50+, and fast enough to usually get 1st or 2nd in Masters, was not there.

The weather was cool and windy enough that I had 2 layers on my legs. fleece winter tights plus wind pants for outer layer, but I'm a little unusual that way. I have to keep my legs warm or the muscles stay tight. As I like to say, I was first in the long pants division, I'm pretty sure everybody ahead of me was wearing shorts. I was over-dressed up top though with a warm long sleeve top. I should have gone with a light top as I was hot in last half, and would have removed my top and carried it except for modesty factor.

Peter
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Jun 26, 2003
605. Oct 17, 2006 4:28 PM in response to: Strep
Peter, I think going out hard was accidentally a sound strategy. I lost contact with everyone, I thought, but really they were 15-20 seconds ahead, out of sight but around the corner. Trying to run faster in the second half could have been difficult with no one to key off of.

I'll pick up my prize tomorrow. I knew I could and I've been to their office before to do it, I just wanted it then. I should've said I was from out of town.

I think all races in general are not as competitive they used to be. I saw the results for the first Waterfront Half Marathon they ran around 2000, which had a fraction of the field that this one did, but many, many, many people that were faster.
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Dec 7, 1999
606. Oct 17, 2006 11:10 PM in response to: Strep
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Strep:
Hey, Eddie I need a 4 hour pace bunny - wanna come to Chicago? Patti<HR>


Hmmm, tempting offer. Are you buying the deep dish pizza post race?

I did the Chicago Marathon back in 1994. That's when they only had 16,000 people in it, not the 40,000 they have now.

Best of luck and times in Chicago.

Thanks Dawn and good racing to everyone else.

Eddie
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Feb 3, 2006
607. Oct 18, 2006 1:14 PM in response to: Strep
quote:<HR>Originally posted by aurang:

I think all races in general are not as competitive they used to be. I saw the results for the first Waterfront Half Marathon they ran around 2000, which had a fraction of the field that this one did, but many, many, many people that were faster.
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I know what you mean about races being slower than years past. I have seen that effect in my local races too.

But in this Zoo 10km, in fact there were as many really fast (eg say sub 34:00) runners as past years, but just a little statistical anomaly in that the top masters male times were slower than past. My time of 37:38 from the 2004 race would have got me 3rd Masters and $100 this year. Oh well, I'll use that for extra motivation for next year, maybe the really fast old guys will stay away again.

This is the end of my racing year, so I'm starting to think about how I will peak for next year's Zoo race. I would like to do a few more of the CRS races, has just never worked out in past years, mostly due to injuries. The High Park 8km, the Sporting Life 10km and the Docks 5km are all appealing.

Peter
Click to view aurang's profile Legend 1,362 posts since
Jun 26, 2003
608. Oct 18, 2006 4:45 PM in response to: Strep
Peter, I've only run bigger races this year for a number of reasons: competition, accuracy, organization, competency. The CRS events are great and are the biggest races in Toronto. There are others that are similarly competitive (Longboat, Nightcrawler), but they are far and few in between. This year, I ran the Spring Run-Off at High Park, 5k at The Docks, Waterfront Half Marathon and the Zoo run. The only one I didn't do is the Sporting Life 10k, because I think the premise is a ridiculous one (and I don't know why people like to do it).

It's funny you feel that the masters stay away. I always feel that younger guys stay away; no one seems to run on the road until about 25.
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Feb 3, 2006
609. Oct 19, 2006 12:31 PM in response to: Strep
Aurang:

I agree that runners tend to be closer to my age than yours. What I was trying to saying was that in this one particular race some of the fastest competitive masters were missing.

Do you dislike the Sporting Life 10km because it's downhill and therefore an artificially fast time? If so, I would agree there too. I would rather have a fast but fair course. The other thing I don't like about this race is the logistical problems caused by 8000 runners plus the fact that the subway system isn't running early on Sunday mornings.The attraction is it does attract a lot of competitive runners. I would like to do it at least once.

By the way, the Docks 5km no longer appears on the CRS website. If it has been dropped, I wonder why.

Peter
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Jun 26, 2003
610. Oct 20, 2006 5:49 PM in response to: Strep
Most runners are older, yeah. I've run some races where there were 6 people in my age group but around 40-50 in 5-year increments for masters.

It would be a shame if the race was dropped from the calendar. It's a rare high-level 5k.

Yes, the artificiality of Sporting Life is why I don't do it. I never actually considered the size of the race. I can barely handle the 2,000 people at the Zoo Run, to have 8,000 people around would be too much. I don't know why there is this need to make races as big as possible (hello, Chicago!). The best races I've run this year for performance, competition, organization and overall enjoyment have been the Nightcrawler and the Longboat 10k. Both had around 400 runners. After that, it seems that the logistics are too overwhelming for anyone who is either just out for a jog or is an elite athlete. Things like warming up, cooling down, strides, stretching or any of that really are afterthoughts at some of these events. The primary concern at a race shouldn't be just getting to the start line.

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Click to view aurang's profile Legend 1,362 posts since
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611. Oct 20, 2006 9:00 PM in response to: Strep
Good luck to anyone (ie Patti) who is running Chicago. I'll keep an eye out for results.
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612. Oct 22, 2006 3:58 PM in response to: Strep
Looks like Patti finished in just over 4:07. Her splits were pretty even throughout but she lost a few minutes over the last 10k. Great job, even though I'm sure she's disappointed to have not broken 4. I'm betting conditions were less than ideal on this one today.
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613. Oct 22, 2006 4:30 PM in response to: Strep
That's sad to hear. She was ahead of schedule through 25 km. Good race anyway Patti, you weren't the only one today disappointed by the time. Congratulations on a year of hard training and hopefully you get that BQ soon. You're certainly in shape for it.
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Oct 31, 2006
614. Oct 23, 2006 9:42 AM in response to: Strep
Congratulations on a solid finish, Patti! I'm sorry you didn't get your BQ, but you are so close that it's just a matter of time. I hope your foot is feeling ok.