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Click to view urbansix's profile Amateur 17 posts since
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Jan 10, 2007 11:48 AM

Whats the deal with Ibuprofin

In all of the various fitness activities I have participated in over the years - running, weightlifting, martial arts - Ibuprofin is always a common recommendation for post-workout recovery. This coming from both instructors/coaches, physicians, and knowitalls alike. I have not researched this, but why is it always ibuprofin (Vitamin "I") and not say acetominephin or other? I understand there are differences in the medicins, but what are they, and why is Ib specifically better for post workout? Just curious, really.
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1. Jan 10, 2007 7:41 PM in response to: urbansix
Ibuprofen has an anti-inflammatory effect. Tylenol (acetaminophen) does not. It's my opnion that you shouldn't just take it out of habit, pop it like candy, etc. It can have side effects, like stomach bleeding.
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2. Jan 10, 2007 8:03 PM in response to: urbansix
If your diet is good you shouldn't need ibuprofin. Your diet should promote an anti-inflammatory response (things like cumin, cayanne, ginger, garlic, fruits/veggies, omega 3's as found in fish, walnuts, and flax are all anti-inflammatory. Fried and processed foods promote inflamation) and build the immune system. Whenever people complain of soreness I wonder what their diet is like, something they may not even make a connection with.

Check out: http://www.whfoods.com[/URL" target="_blank"> and http://www.drweil.com[/URL" target="_blank"> for more info.
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3. Jan 11, 2007 12:27 AM in response to: urbansix
Jansd is correct, use it but don't abuse it. I take an anti-inflammatory dose before my long runs (15 miles plus), but rarely any other time.

Tom

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4. Jan 11, 2007 1:13 PM in response to: urbansix
quote:<HR>Originally posted by figbash:
Jansd is correct, use it but don't abuse it. I take an anti-inflammatory dose before my long runs (15 miles plus), but rarely any other time.

Tom

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Tom have you tried Zylamend? No side effects. Great for over-all health.

https://prohealth.com/Shop/product.cfm/product__code/N0189/loc/SFPCP[/URL" target="_blank">

An added bonus for men, Zyflamen may help prevent prostrate cancer:
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5. Jan 11, 2007 10:43 PM in response to: urbansix
quote:<HR>Originally posted by figbash:
Jansd is correct, use it but don't abuse it. I take an anti-inflammatory dose before my long runs (15 miles plus), but rarely any other time.

Tom

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Tom - before the runs. Isn't that the worst time to take it due to its stress on the liver?
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6. Jan 13, 2007 1:21 PM in response to: urbansix
quote:<HR>Originally posted by NGeorgiaTR:
Tom - before the runs. Isn't that the worst time to take it due to its stress on the liver?<HR>


Ibuprofen use does not effect the liver though it can effect your kidneys if you allow yourself to become dehydrated during the run. I started taking Ibuprofen before my long runs at the advice of my doc who is also a runner and have been doing so for years. As with any medication, moderation is the key.

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7. Jan 15, 2007 12:18 AM in response to: urbansix
I am addicted to running and (shamefully) Vitamin "M". Motrin=ibuprofen. I actually have a pretty good diet...think it's the age.

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9. Jan 16, 2007 11:14 AM in response to: urbansix
I believe taking ibuprofen makes me retain water. Does it do this to anyone else??
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10. Jan 16, 2007 11:29 AM in response to: urbansix
I am a doctor and I will use anti-inflammatories sparingly(once or twice/month) after a tough race or training run. If these medications are used in such fashion you should not have any complications. That of course assumes you do not have any medical problems (an ulcer, already taking a blood thinner, renal failure) that might make you more susceptible so you might check with your doctor.
"Natural supplements" can also be harmful so buyer beware. Not to argue with the naturalists in this thread but I would be interested to read the science/research behind an "anti-inflammatory diet." I assume you read the NIH study on glucosamine/chondroitin sulfate which showed its effect to equal that of placebo. Of course the placebo effect can be as high as 20%.
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11. Jan 16, 2007 12:59 PM in response to: urbansix
I've taken several NSAIDs such as Advil, Alleve and Etodolac and they all make me retain water.

Supposedly this is not good: by imparing water loss by the kidneys hyponatremia (low blood sodium level) can result. Prior to the Walt Disney World marathon, Disney published a warning in the marathon program NOT to take any NSAIDs 24 hours before the race until 48 hours after because of this.

But if you search the web, this is apparently a matter of debate amongst physicians. Better be safe than sorry.
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12. Jan 16, 2007 6:21 PM in response to: urbansix
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Orthopodrunner:

"Natural supplements" can also be harmful so buyer beware. Not to argue with the naturalists in this thread but I would be interested to read the science/research behind an "anti-inflammatory diet."
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I agree about natural supplements potentially being harmful, but the ones that have been promoted on this thread are basically foods, or extracts of food.

My interpretation of anti-inflammatory diet would be one that consists mostly of whole foods that have been shown to reduce inflammation. I feel like I would have to give you a link to every research paper on each of these foods that has shown to reduce inflammation. fruits, vegetables, spices, fish oil, etc.

This one might be a good start though.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16904534[/URL" target="_blank">
this one too..
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=16437718[/URL" target="_blank">

You can find lots of other general information here
http://www.google.com/search?q=anti+inflammatory+diet[/URL" target="_blank">

quote:<HR>Originally posted by Orthopodrunner:

I assume you read the NIH study on glucosamine/chondroitin sulfate which showed its effect to equal that of placebo. Of course the placebo effect can be as high as 20%.
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The study showed it was comparable to that of a placebo for pain management. There have also has been a lot of questions about the integrity and interpretation of the test results. I won't get into that debate now. I can google a $h!t load of links if you can't find any yourself.

Most importantly, it was not a study that measured how much glucosamine can heal, or halt the progression of arthritis. NIH is continuing to study glucosamine from this perspective. The point is, people arent popping glucosamine when they would normally pop an advil. It's taken over the long term to with the belief it'll help address the problem itself, rather than mask the pain temporarily. I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss glucosamine yet. The arthitis foundation hasn't seemed to either.
http://www.arthritis.org/research/bulletin/vol52no12/glucosamine.asp[/URL" target="_blank">



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13. Jan 16, 2007 9:26 PM in response to: urbansix
Nice reply Herbalist. I'm not saying your diet ideas are necessarily bad, however as BTN suggests following an "anti-inflammatory diet" will not necessarily obviate the need/want for additional anti-inflammatory support when needed.
To the point of the original post what do you do if you are sore after a race/hard run? Certainly you can rest, ice etc. I and many others believe anti-inflammatories can be quite helpful when used judiciously. I am unaware of any diet or supplements that are as effective as Ibuprofen and other oral medications. This was taken directly from the New Chapter webpage
Zyflamend® is not a drug product that is intended as an alternative to prescription anti-inflammatories. We suggest that you consult your health care professional if you suffer from pain and inflammation associated with arthritis

If you find supplements effective for you that is great. However "natural" supplements are not without side effects. Quercetin which you mention in your original post can interact with some chemotherapy drugs and antibiotics. I often see people buy supplements at GNC assuming they are "safe." For the most part they are however there are many instances of supplements not containing what they claim and containing other substances you might not be expecting. Just today I had a patient with a shellfish allergy buy glucosamine on a neighbors reccomendation. He was fortunate to recognize the problem before taking the glucosamine. This why I suggest checking with your doctor if you are unsure about the safety of any supplement or medication in reference to your overall health.
In reference to the glucosamine/chondroitin sulfate debate it is true the study was examining pain control. In my experience most people take it for pain control. If you take it to maintain/repair cartilage more power to you. Bear in mind you are spending alot of money on a belief not supported by any scientific evidence. Until there is I will not be reccommending it to my patients. Having been in the arthritis business for some time I have seen many cures and remedies for arthritis come and go. We all hope one day one will prove effective. However for now I believe taking glucosamine to build/maintain cartilage is analogous to simply eating steak to build/maintain muscle.
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14. Jan 16, 2007 10:01 PM in response to: urbansix
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Orthopodrunner:
I I assume you read the NIH study on glucosamine/chondroitin sulfate which showed its effect to equal that of placebo. Of course the placebo effect can be as high as 20%.<HR>


I pop my share of ibuprofin at times for osteo, nothing like my rodeo days when I would pop 12 -325 mg aspirin/day before competing.
As far as glucosamine we started using it on a veterinary's rec because as he said dog's don't fake it. My German Shepard is pretty smart but I don't think she can even spell placebo ;-) and she has shown improvement on it. The really weird thing with my dog is her lazy ear came up at 7 years of age after regular glu/chond supplementing. Personally I can't choke down those big horse pills (glu/chond) but my father takes it and seemed to improve also (nothing scientific).