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Click to view CSuzette's profile Legend 290 posts since
Apr 8, 2005

Jan 24, 2007 12:03 PM

Counterintuitive PF Solution

Hear me out. So, during 2005 I was training for NYCM and after an 18 mile run I was suffering from first acute PF and then after a few days, chronic PF. (Had to drop out.) I kept running, albeit slowly, and used ice, heat, exercise, rest days, stretching, the "sock", etc., etc., etc. all to no avail. My feet still hurt 9 months later. I was doing maybe 25-30 mpw, but I could still run.

But, a funny thing happened. I got serious about running NYCM on 11/5/06 and increased my training. Somewhere along the way I noticed that my feet stopped hurting. I was probably running 35-45 mpw at that point.

So, I ran the marathon and since then I have had a hard time recoverying. I got a blood blister under my right big toe which put me out for a week, and then I started back slowly, with some push-back. My mileage is again about 25 mpw (or less) and I just noticed that a slight case of PF is back.

I compared notes with someone else and they said that the some issue arose with their hamstrings. Less miles they were tight and more miles they didn't bother.

So, it would appear to me that there is a "sweet spot" (like in tennis) except it is the reverse, more like a "pain spot" that you can get into. Take it for what it is worth. I would recommend that anyone with PF make sure they are running slowly enough for their conditioning and then increase mileage. Speed will come.

Let us know how it works for you!
Click to view Jim McDannel's profile Amateur 12 posts since
Jan 1, 2006
1. Jan 24, 2007 4:22 PM in response to: CSuzette
Re: Counterintuitive PF Solution
I've been fighting this for several weeks now and spent a ton of money trying to get it fixed, I'm wearing a brace as I type this.. Anyone know what the average down time is for this..

Im using a Motion control shoe, running slow, using Ice after each run, trying to stretch several times a day...

I guess I'll try your Idea of picking up mileage what else have I got to loose..
Click to view jparry's profile Pro 111 posts since
Oct 27, 2005
2. Jan 24, 2007 5:01 PM in response to: CSuzette
Re: Counterintuitive PF Solution
Encouraging news! How old are you? I am 43 and have been battling PF for about five weeks with the usual -- arch supports, stretching, ice, ibuprofen, new shoes and new shoes, but very limited running. I fear that age may make one less flexible and therefore more likely to suffer from plantar fasciitis and for longer. But unless you tell me no, I am definitely prepared to try bumping up the mileage too...

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Click to view jparry's profile Pro 111 posts since
Oct 27, 2005
3. Jan 24, 2007 5:03 PM in response to: CSuzette
Re: Counterintuitive PF Solution
Encouraging news! How old are you? I am 43 and have been battling PF for about five weeks with the usual -- arch supports, stretching, ice, ibuprofen, new shoes and new shoes, but very limited running. I fear that age may make one less flexible and therefore more likely to suffer from plantar fasciitis and for longer. But unless you tell me no, I am definitely prepared to try bumping up the mileage too...

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Click to view jparry's profile Pro 111 posts since
Oct 27, 2005
4. Jan 25, 2007 12:58 PM in response to: CSuzette
Re: Counterintuitive PF Solution
Encouraging news! How old are you? I am 43 and have been battling PF for about five weeks with the usual -- arch supports, stretching, ice, ibuprofen, new shoes and new shoes, but very limited running. I fear that age may make one less flexible and therefore more likely to suffer from plantar fasciitis and for longer. But unless you tell me no, I am definitely prepared to try bumping up the mileage too...

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Click to view HDH's profile Legend 335 posts since
Aug 19, 2007
5. Jan 25, 2007 1:06 PM in response to: CSuzette
Re: Counterintuitive PF Solution
I am on the mend having first realized the pain about a month before NYC 06. I think I got it from ramping up the speedwork intervals too quickly.

I continued with silicone heel cups as I did with my last bout in 2004 and added the sock in early January, and then the arch straps about 2 weeks ago.

In Dec, I was hobbling out of bed but still able to run (once warmed up, the pain went away and returned when I cooled down). I added stretching after the shorter runs.

Jan has seen marked increase in improvement and adding some Berkenstock inserts (B-day present from my sister w/o knowing of the PF) has made the last couple of days feel markedly better than last week.

I have read it can take months to completely heal. I think I am starting month 4.


I am 52 years old (but treating my body like I am still in my 20's)


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Click to view marunr's profile Pro 162 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
6. Jan 25, 2007 4:15 PM in response to: CSuzette
Re: Counterintuitive PF Solution
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jim McDannel:
I've been fighting this for several weeks now and spent a ton of money trying to get it fixed, I'm wearing a brace as I type this.. Anyone know what the average down time is for this..

Im using a Motion control shoe, running slow, using Ice after each run, trying to stretch several times a day...

I guess I'll try your Idea of picking up mileage what else have I got to loose..
<HR>


This may, or may not work. I've seen PF in over half of the people I've run with over the years (22 years) and there is no magic bullet unfortunately. What works for one may not work for another. My boss has been off for 3 months and one of my training partners has been off since October. The first time I had it, it lasted a few months, and wasn't really terrible, so the 2nd time I got it (and yes, it's common to have a 2nd bout) I tried to just run through it as I was training for a marathon. It became unbearable and I ended up running about 10 to 15 miles a week for 18 months ( down from 35 a week average, 45v during marathon training).

I liked the Birkenstock Arch support inserts, but again, others I know had no luck with them. Sorry!! Keep a positive attitude....it will eventually go away.
Click to view Jim McDannel's profile Amateur 12 posts since
Jan 1, 2006
7. Jan 25, 2007 6:28 PM in response to: CSuzette
Re: Counterintuitive PF Solution
I got an email from a local coach, on PF

He says the worse thing you can do is quit running, People have taken several weeks and months off and come back with more pain when they stopped..

Keep running cut back on the mileage and run SLOW , Freeze a water bottle and use that for massage as well as Icing, continue the wall stretch as well as calf raises

He also goes into wearing rigid sole shoes for work, and not wearing running shoes to work in, I bought another pair today I was working in running shoes...

This injury has played with my head as well as my running, I did a WHOLE 3 miles today and it felt so good to just run, I paid for it this afternoon with a sore heal though...

I hope this works out..... Best of luck to anyone fighting this
Click to view marunr's profile Pro 162 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Jan 25, 2007 8:58 PM in response to: CSuzette
Re: Counterintuitive PF Solution
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jim McDannel:
Freeze a water bottle and use that for massage as well as Icing, <HR>


All of the things you mentioned are pretty much the status quo for treatment of PF, including the water bottle. I never liked this one, however. I much prefer this:
After running, submerge your foot in water up to the ankle. A small ice chest works nicely for this. Dump a tray of ice in the water and keep your foot in until it melts (about 10 minutes), After your foot warms up a little, repeat the treatment using warm to hot water. After removing your foot from the water, grasp the toes and gently pull them back to stretch the fascia, and then massage it with your other hand.
This has worked well for me any time I've felt a bout of PF trying to flare up.
I also strongly believe in the strassburg sock or some kind of a night splint.
Click to view joeyverville's profile Expert 39 posts since
Aug 31, 2006
9. Jan 26, 2007 5:53 PM in response to: CSuzette
Re: Counterintuitive PF Solution
Encouraging news...indeed!! I kept running through my PF (not because my podiatrist gave me the okay) because I'm a fairly new runner and not running was messing with my head. I was careful with the usual remedies and it went away but at the time of recover, developed pain in my ankle and the top of my foot. Today's visit to the podiatrist: he switched me from naprosyn (Naproxen) to 800 mg ibuprofen (3x daily). He said the nap actually may cause swelling in some. He also gave me a compression sock. It feels wonderful. Anyone have a compression sock? Can you run in it? Do you sleep in it.
Thanks,
Joey
Click to view skijem1's profile Amateur 13 posts since
Feb 4, 2006
10. Feb 2, 2007 1:11 AM in response to: CSuzette
Re: Counterintuitive PF Solution
This is all so encouraging. I had posted under newbie cafe (I should have scrolled down further to find this area). In a nut shell, I'm made great progress, started back slowly, and had a huge set back. Interesting though, although I was starting back with walking and jogging, I was bumping the speed up slightly before the mileage (ok, while I only got back to 3 miles!)

It's depressing! Fears of not running again, etc. Everything posted here is encouraging.