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15 Replies Last post: Jul 20, 2007 3:26 PM by mattscarymonster   1 2 Previous Next
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Jul 16, 2007 3:53 PM

Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?

I for one have self diagnosed...based on About.com & Wikipedia's description. Does anyone have experience with training through this problem? Do inserts seem to help?

Also, I have this sort of sharp pain in the back of my hoot, above the heel.. it seemed to preclude the PF pain. So I stopped doing calf/arch stretches b/c it seemed that they aggravated the heel pain, then the PF came in... are they related? Should I keep stretching that area anyway??
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1. Jul 16, 2007 4:06 PM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
yes, I have PF... but I don't have a hoot. Sometimes, people say my attitude is as one who "doesn't give a hoot" so maybe that is why.

Seriously, I have been lucky enough that I have been able to train through it.

in my case, my specialist foot Dr. said I had tight calf muscles and prescribed some stretching, along with inserts, some NSAIDs, and reduction in running volume.

I have found stretching each morning and sometimes during hte day to have brougth about a big improvement to the condition.

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2. Jul 16, 2007 4:22 PM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
I got it as well, After using tons of Inserts, I broke down and bought the Strassburg Sock,

Im only in the first few nights with it, But I got in a 5 miler today and so far no pain this afternoon..

I've been fighting this since last november, Its been a long haul with this one, Im ready to get back to regular training again,
Good Luck Jim
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3. Jul 16, 2007 4:26 PM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
I'm going to a podiatrist tomorrow and get a diagnosis for my foot problems. I'll give you a report but I suspect I have PF.
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5. Dec 26, 2007 4:36 PM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
Had it.
Tight calves are only part of it.
Your feet are weak. An imbalance is created which put too much stress on the plantar tendon. Once you correct the strength imbalance, it will start to go away.
I worked on foot strength and flexibility, as well as calf, hamstring, and achilles flexibility.
How I got rid of it:


--stand up straight, feel the floor with your feet. Then, using the strength your foot, stretch your toes back and hold 10-20 seconds. Then try to separate your toes. Then very slowly lift up your heels and stand on your toes like a ballerina for 10 seconds. Come down. Shift your weight from foot to foot. then repeat the process 4 more times. 3 times a day.

--stand straight on a carpet. Put your feet together so the toes of each foot point forward and are even. Then pull yourself across the carpet with the strenth of your toes. One foot then the other. You'll get about an inch a pull. Go about 10 feet. 3 times a day.

--stopped wearing cushion trainers. Started using the Nike Free and flattish race trainers for all my miles. I believe that the cushioned trainers contributed to not only a heavier impact, but they helped to weaken my feet.

--lost weight

--yoga (downward facing dog is particularly good)


Gone.


--JJ

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6. Jul 16, 2007 11:54 PM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
A few things that helped me...

Get orthodics. They will save your life. I spent a lot of money ($300) to get them but they have now lasted me 5+ years are are still in wonderful shape. They are custom made for running and INCREDIBLY lightweight.

Fill a tennis ball or raquetball container with water and freeze it. When sitting at home on the couch roll your feet over it to "ice message".

Lie a bath towel straight out on the floor and use your toes to curl it all the way it. This strengthen's the arches.

STRETCH YOUR FEET IN THE MORNING PRIOR TO STEPPING OUT OF BED. At night when you sleep, the wound begins to "heal". When you step on it every morning it essentially tears again.

Stretch your calves. Get on a calf board at the gym or use the wall to get a deep stretch. Do this a lot during the day, not just prior to runs.

Tape your arches for long runs - a PT or doc can show you how to do this.

If worse comes to worse, cortisone the heel. I had to have this done in college when playing bball but it definately helped. Not a fun experience and sore for a few days after but helped to heal it up.
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8. Jul 17, 2007 2:04 PM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
Before you plunk down $300 for custom orthotics, try over-the-counter Superfeet. I put the green ones in my Saucony Omni Grids and wear the black ones in my office shoes. They've been great. Also, don't give up on the calf stretches, but make sure they are done gently. My doctor said to do them no more than thee times per day. I've been running through my PF and have noticed huge improvements.
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9. Jul 17, 2007 3:17 PM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
This stretch helped me a LOT - probably most helpful of all the stuff I did. I still do it at least a couple times a day on both feet. I've found that my lower calves are not tight any more. I do feel a stretch in them, but they do not "fight back" when I do calf stretches, use the slant board or do this stretch.

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I had PF in my left foot for at least 18 months. Also used a night sock Plantar FXT (various prices on internet).

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=blended&field-keywords=plantar%20fxt&results-process=default&dispatch=search/ref=pd_sl_aw_tops-1_blended_11030400_1&results-process=default[/URL" target="_blank">

I couldn't sleep very long with it on, but even a couple hours each night helped.

Not sure if it is directly related, but I also do wt. machines for calves, and also shin strengthening exercises for shin splints (which are now gone, too.)

I do stretches for lower back and upper back, and the psoas, too, all to counteract tendency to overpronation.

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Switching to midfoot strike (Chi Running helped) was a major factor. I had success going to a less controlling shoe but with more snugly fitting heel counter and more forefoot cushion, but I have moderately high arches.

So there were lots of things that I did to improve my form
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10. Jul 17, 2007 9:16 PM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
I've had it going on 4 years and 20 pounds ago now. I've been through 2 sets of custom orthotics, 2 off-the-shelf orthotics, 2 rounds of cortisone injections, x-rays, physical therapy, massage, stretches, exercises, ice baths, hot pads, 3 different NSAIDS, and some shady chiropractors, all to no avail. Everybody looks at my feet, says i have great flexibility and it shouldn't be a problem, and tells me to buy new shoes. i've also had rheumatoid arthritis and ankylosing spondylitis ruled out, but it's been so long and nothing has helped. running through it is out of the question...sometimes just sitting in the car driving leaves my entire foot feeling inflamed and swollen. looking back, i'd have gone to a podiatrist sooner. now i'm just out of ideas and accepting that i'm not going to be running again.
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11. Jul 18, 2007 11:23 AM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
Hey is it ok to use an elliptical trainer with PF? I've had it (PF) for almost 4 months now...i ran with it for a while but i think now i'm committed to doing what ever it takes to heal it (i was in denial before). I increased the massage, icing, stretching....going to get superfeet. I switched to the elliptical at the gym and cycling outside to keep in shape. Is this ok?...i'm not really feeling any improvement (it's been about three weeks) and i'm worried that the elliptical is aggravating it.
thanks
nancy
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12. Jul 18, 2007 1:10 PM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
I'm recovering from PF since May. Slow but sure. Every week it's a little bit less of an issue.

I've used the Strassburg sock with great success. I've become religious about stretching for a long time post run (but not to the point of real pain!) and I only run with tape. If I feel any discomfort at all after a run or after standing for a long time I do the ice water bottle massage. I always wear shoes straight out of bed, even if they are just flat sneakers.

Plan ahead for times when you'll be standing or walking a lot. I have spent lots of money on insoles and arch supports and they are all worth it.

I want to incorporate strength training, but I have been lazy about it.
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13. Dec 26, 2007 4:36 PM in response to: mattscarymonster
Re: Plantar Fascilitis: Who's got it?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by jjwaverly42:
Had it.
Tight calves are only part of it.
Your feet are weak. An imbalance is created which put too much stress on the plantar tendon. Once you correct the strength imbalance, it will start to go away.
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disagree with this. the most common cause is not a lack of strength; it's overpronation. When the foot overpronates and the calcaneous bone roles in/medially it pulls on the plantar tendon. The more the foot collapses the more the tendon is lengthened and stressed/inflamed. Orthotics solve the problem by supporting the heel and reducing the medial roll in, so to speak by supporting the bone via a deep heel cup like those found in superfeet. The arch in the footbeds/orthotics is also a factor in helping to reduce the stress on the tendon. Motion control shoes attempt to do the same thing by adding stiffer materials or medial posting to a shoe.

increasing foot strength can defintely help, but it's not the cause. The cause is biomechanical.