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Click to view bigapplepie's profile We're Not Worthy 2,636 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

Aug 30, 2007 6:59 AM

NY Times - Why are older women beating younger ones at running?

See Jane Run. See Her Run Faster and Faster.

By GINA KOLATA
Published: August 30, 2007

ONE day, about two years ago, my son asked me a probing question. ?Are you running just to run,? he asked, ?or do you have some purpose in mind?? I?d been running for years but never thought to ask myself why. His question made me realize I wanted a goal. And it led me to pick one that now sounds kind of ludicrous, a five-kilometer race that was to be run in two weeks.

I started to train.

It was a revelation ? I got much faster with that little bit of training. I ran the race, won my age group, came home with a trophy, and decided to race again.

Of course, there are lots of reasons to run, and not everyone cares about winning a race or winning his or her age group. There is nothing wrong with running for fun or to clear your head after a long day. But serious running is very different from the more casual running I used to do. And now that I?ve grown more committed, I am starting to notice something odd about women and running.

Men, as might be expected, get slower as they age. At a recent five-kilometer race in Pine Beach, N.J., which drew nearly 1,000 runners, the fastest man was 24 years old and the men?s times dropped with each five-year age group.

But the women were different ? their times were all over the place with older women beating younger women in almost every age category. The fastest woman was 37 years old; the fastest woman in the 45 to 49 age group beat the fastest woman in the 20 to 24 and the 40 to 44 age groups.

The same thing happened in another five-kilometer local race, the Eden Family Run, in Princeton, N.J.

There, the top female runner in the 50 to 54 age group beat the top females in the 20 to 24, 25 to 29, and 40 to 44 age groups.

And it?s not just a New Jersey effect. Others have noticed it elsewhere and when I did a random check of race results in California, I saw it there too. On Aug. 8, in a 10-kilometer race in Alameda, the 53-year-old woman who won in the 50 to 54 age group was faster than the woman who won in the 25 to 29 group. A 38-year-old woman beat every other woman in the race.

Results like those made me wonder, Are women really trying in these races and, if they are, why are older women beating younger women?

Mary Wittenberg, president of New York Road Runners, thinks part of the answer is that most female runners shortchange themselves. Look at them before races she said. Men warm up and do strides, short runs to prepare to take off at the starting line. A lot of women hang back, often because they are embarrassed to be out there with the men, acting like determined athletes, Ms. Wittenberg said.

?They are too inhibited to put their full passion out there,? she said. ?They are almost afraid to be serious about a sport. They think that if they?re not the best, they shouldn?t care so much.?

Other women have no idea what they are capable of or how to get faster, said Dr. Vonda Wright, an orthopedic surgeon at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.

Dr. Wright, who holds running clinics for beginners and for those who want to compete, said women often get the impression that they should not put much effort into runs. That?s the message of some ads and magazine articles telling people to run easy, and that, Dr. Wright said, ?can be negative information? for women who might like to compete. It is too tempting, she said, ?to be lulled into thinking that?s enough.?

Ms. Wittenberg feels the same way. A run-easy message is fine if it helps get people started in the sport. But, she added, there is also a risk, ?in that it sneers at hard work and pushing to limits.?

Dr. Wright said she knows from experience the difference between going easy and challenging training. A few years ago, Dr. Wright, 40, was living in New York and running in Central Park. ?I was jogging around at 9 ½ to 10 minutes a mile,? she said, and she had been doing the same unhurried run for years.

One day, she says, she asked herself, ?What am I capable of?? In a few months of training, she got much stronger and faster and ended up running a 10-kilometer race at a speed of 7:44 a mile.

?After 10 years of running at 9:30 I felt so amazing when I realized my time,? she said.

Ralph Vernacchia, who directs the Center for Performance Excellence at Western Washington University in Bellingham, Wash., has worked with elite runners including Olympians. And with elite runners, there is no question about competitive drive.

But with average runners, he said, older women may be faster because, oddly enough, they are trying harder than younger women and discovering for the first time what they are capable of.

Most middle-aged women grew up when track and cross-country teams were for men only. Some of those women, who had no opportunity to race when they were young, are just learning to be athletes and are running faster than younger women who may not care as much.

He described the experience for women as ?a kind of wakening, an epiphany.?

That is not to say that training is easy, he added. Being an athlete requires dedication and training, Dr. Vernacchia explained.

?It?s a mindset and once you know the method, it?s a real achievement. It takes emotional energy, spiritual energy and physical energy. There?s a difference between being involved and being committed. To be an athlete you must be committed.?

?Commitment is a state you find yourself in when the gun goes off,? Dr. Vernacchia said.

Then, if you are lucky, you beat all those younger women.

In Personal Best, Gina Kolata explores the latest thinking about exercise science and how to improve workouts. It will run every two weeks.
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1. Aug 30, 2007 9:52 AM in response to: bigapplepie
BAP, that dovetails with everything I've noticed around here.

I moan and complain about the 40-44 women on this Island being too dang fast, but we're nothing compared to the 45-49-ers.

If I can learn to train without injuring myself, I might be ready to run with the big girls while I'm still climbing that ten-year window of improvement for new runners.

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Click to view Econo011's profile Legend 1,459 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
2. Aug 30, 2007 12:32 PM in response to: bigapplepie
I, too, see this phenomenon.

20-something women don't train much -- they just get out there and run a race every now and then. We slaughter these types (I'm in a college community so I see this constantly). What do they have to prove? Nothing.

30-something women have very little time to train if they have little kids. I'm not saying it's impossible; it's just much harder to schedule when you MUST be home watching your 2-year-old.

It is a powerful feeling to train up in your 40's and beyond. Amazing what improvement is still possible. I'm running faster than ever (in my life) -- each new PR feeds the addiction.
Click to view evanflein's profile Legend 1,279 posts since
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3. Aug 30, 2007 12:44 PM in response to: bigapplepie
Econo, that's exactly how I see this, too! We have some young standouts here... some girls who are or were on the high school cross country and track teams who frequently win the overall placings on races here of all distances. But for the average runners, my 45-49 AG is really tough... but there are two women in the 50-54 AG who routinely place above me! My last marathon I "won" my AG (say "that" cuz really got 2nd but overall winner taken out of AG ala TammyM's experience...), and my time was way better than the 35-39 winners. The overall winner of the marathon was 46.

I know I wouldn't have had time to train in my 30's... too busy with other things in life (kids, job, bills, etc). Running in my 40's has been very liberating and something I do just for me.

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4. Aug 30, 2007 4:39 PM in response to: bigapplepie
This is a really interesting article; thanks for sharing. It raises lots of interesting questions that would be fun to research.
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5. Dec 26, 2007 9:49 PM in response to: bigapplepie
But with average runners, he said, older women may be faster because, oddly enough, they are trying harder than younger women and discovering for the first time what they are capable of.

He described the experience for women as ?a kind of wakening, an epiphany.?


This is me -- wondering, what am I capable of? I entered my first race 20 years after I first began running. I'll never know what I was capable of when I was in school all those years, started a career, had babies, newly married... I have only future races to tell me what I can do now. And each time I race, that's very powerful motivation and exciting to me.

I consider myself an athlete as well as a wife, mother and employee, and I shouldn't feel badly that I do. Why can't a 43 year old woman feel that way? It's been a long struggle trying to get my other half to understand that.




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Click to view Holly S.'s profile Legend 1,828 posts since
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6. Aug 31, 2007 12:51 PM in response to: bigapplepie
Yup, I agree.

All those years I just thought I was a very slow runner. Now I'm just beginning to discover my SBUH speed. Who'd have thought that at this age I'd be faster than ever before? I'm still not a gazelle, never will be, but I think I may still have some room for improvement.

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7. Aug 31, 2007 2:48 PM in response to: bigapplepie
I ran my fastest 4 mls in my life at a race on July 4th this year - that was liberating! My husband told me "it is a rce, go and run like ****" so i did and it worked - i beat my PB by 4 mins - how strange that i needed that kick in the butt to go all out ?? i have never played sports so maybe i didnt get the concept of race = competition = go all out so it hurts?? I find it very interesting. For me I never had the confidence to run in races when I was in my 20's and most of my 30's. I enjoy racing more as i get older. SInce my fast 4 mle race I hope to get faster in my fall races. I now know that i am capable of running a lot faster in a race. I wouldnt trade my 40's for my 20's !!
Click to view Econo011's profile Legend 1,459 posts since
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8. Aug 31, 2007 3:28 PM in response to: bigapplepie
yeah, baby!

This is a fun thread. Thanks, BAP.
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9. Aug 31, 2007 4:14 PM in response to: bigapplepie
I don't have anything constuctive to add, just wanted to say, you "40 something" grrls here sure smoke me, plus you're quite pleasing to watch.
Click to view Soundrunner's profile Legend 408 posts since
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10. Aug 31, 2007 4:35 PM in response to: bigapplepie
John, seems to me that one you enjoyed following last weekend wasn't exactly 40+...
Click to view JPGarland's profile Legend 780 posts since
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11. Aug 31, 2007 7:05 PM in response to: bigapplepie
A (woman) member of my Club sent that to me. I wrote back:
quote:<HR>"'It's a mindset and once you know the method, it's a real achievement. It takes emotional energy, spiritual energy and physical energy. There's a difference between being involved and being committed. To be an athlete you must be committed.'

"'Commitment is a state you find yourself in when the gun goes off,' Dr. Vernacchia said."

No. Commitment is a state of mind you find yourself in when you'd rather go for a work-out than put your feet up and watch some TV. The race is the pay-off.<HR>
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12. Sep 1, 2007 2:34 PM in response to: bigapplepie
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Soundrunner:
John, seems to me that one you enjoyed following last weekend wasn't exactly 40+... <HR>


All things equal, I prefer "seasoned experience" , but at 3:30AM, I have to settle for what bit of inspiration I can find.
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13. Sep 1, 2007 6:01 PM in response to: bigapplepie
Jennifer and I have noticed this in the Huntsville area, too. We believe that young women (with the exception of the track stars) just don't take much interest in competitive running and prefer dating and partying. Plus, a lot have kids and raise them in their twenties and thirties. You see women who have kids and race competitively and do both very well. However, they are the exception.

After age 35 or so, women are mostly through having kids and may also be starting to get that mid-life bulge in the tummy and thighs. Running starts taking that off, plus many also find the joy in running and racing, thus the upswing during this time.

Just an opinion.....
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14. Sep 1, 2007 11:19 PM in response to: bigapplepie
Jim####, you are entirely correct. If you read the contents of the previous posts, however, you would realize that what you're talking about is not the topic of the thread.

Older women are trying harder, that's all. And guts & determination are apparently trumping youth's advantage.

So, thanks for reminding us of what we already know. Now 'scuze me, I'm late for my gymnastics lesson.