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Click to view davecamire's profile Pro 86 posts since
Sep 27, 2007

Dec 18, 2007 7:39 PM

The Transition from CR's viewpoint

Hi folks,

My name is Dave Camire and I am one of the co-founders of Cool Running. Kevin Molloy and I started this business almost thirteen years ago and our mission has been to supply the best information and tools available and offer a friendly environment to our users.

For those of you who have been with us from the beginning, you have witnessed the enormous changes and growth in our site. I fondly remember our first month of operation we received 200 hits and we were thrilled. During our busiest month this year we received over 89 million hits and the site welcomed over 2.3 million visitors. Now that's growth!

However with growth comes challenges and one of ours was supporting an infrastructure that would keep pace with the enormous amount of users we were servicing. Kevin performed miracles by keeping the CR server operational despite the increased load; however band aids will only carry you so far.

By the end of 2006 we were frequently being forced to reboot our system. This often took place in the early morning hours so hopefully it was not obvious when our site was down. Our running logs as designed were also unable to handle the load. We also knew the existing software would not handle many of the features users were requesting on a regular basis.

So with our server maxed, our software prehistoric and our registration system broken we knew it would be impossible to continue the status quo. So with the help of the Active engineering team we embarked on an ambitious project to fix it. BTW both Kevin and I are still heavily involved with Cool Running. I serve as the senior editor of the site and Kevin is a frequent technical consultant. I feel strongly that we (Cool Running and Active) have not abandoned our original mission.

This brings us to today. Our goal was to establish the most stable, feature rich, robust community and tools for our community. Overall the transition went well, but we all fully recognize that there are serious issues that need to be addressed. We are listening to all the feedback and working hard to respond with solutions.

I would like to ask that you just give us a chance. Rest assured there are many folks at CR and Active that worked nights and weekends to manage the transition and are now redoubling efforts to get folks to a good place. I sincerely hope that you will stick with us and show your continued support as we work through this transition.

Thanks for listening,

Dave Camire
Co-founder
www.coolrunning.com
Click to view kzod's profile Expert 43 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Dec 19, 2007 9:16 AM in response to: davecamire
Re: The Transition from CR's viewpoint

Dave, I'm not sure what your arrangement is with Active. I assume they have bought into your site or paid for the forums for their own marketing purposes. Some anti-capitalists will yell about any deals like that just for show. The problem the rest of us have is that the "improved" version is much worse visually and intuitively than what you guys developed years ago. Any open source Forum board is more visually accomodating than this mess. Rather than redevelop the wheel and adding all of this WYSIWYG gizmos, I urge you guiys to dump this experiment promptly for a simpler board before you lose all of the trafic that made CR what it is.

Good luck.

Click to view Girl In Motion's profile Legend 253 posts since
Feb 4, 2007
2. Dec 19, 2007 1:35 PM in response to: kzod
Re: The Transition from CR's viewpoint
Hi Dave,

Just want to say thanks for creating such a unique spot on the web. I grew quite attached to the CR boards, in fact, you guys taught me how to run with C25K so I'm eternally grateful for that. Thank you.


I'd be perfectly happy to stay here if:


1. they get the old posts in. If that happens, it'll be a wealth of information because the archives will finally be searchable (at least, hoping that's what would happen). What a valuable resource if so.


2. access speed improves. I can live with the color scheme, the lesser number of posts per page (for a little while, anyway), formatting, whatever, but I am a jaded web-head and waiting is not something I do well anymore. I can't imagine what the dial-up people are experiencing.

And here I've marred a thank you note with whining, sorry about that. I hope you take it as the compliment it is that we are all so vehement about the switchover, it only means we held CR precious and are afraid that it might disappear.

Click to view bhearn's profile Legend 430 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
4. Dec 19, 2007 5:08 PM in response to: davecamire
Re: The Transition from CR's viewpoint
davecamire wrote:
Hi G.I.M.,

We have plans in motion to migrate the old posts to the new boards. However we are not going to give a target date until we are certain that we will meet it. All I'll say at this point is it will be sooner than later. BTW I agree that it will be nice to be able to use the search feature again. I'll pass along your concerns regarding the speed (performance). Thanks for the input.

Dave

OK, that makes sense, but please note that the transition FAQ (http://community.active.com/docs/DOC-1600) states "Rest assured, all past threads and replies have been migrated to the new forums."

If this is not going to happen imminently, how about letting us access the old threads with the old interface, and just disable posting in the old forums?

And I second (or third, or tenth, or whatever) the speed issues. It is really, really, really slow. If that's the price of "modern" forum software, it's too high.

Thanks,
Bob
Click to view bhearn's profile Legend 430 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
5. Dec 20, 2007 12:05 PM in response to: davecamire
Re: The Transition from CR's viewpoint
davecamire wrote:
Hi G.I.M.,

We have plans in motion to migrate the old posts to the new boards. However we are not going to give a target date until we are certain that we will meet it.

Just a bump to reiterate, since my last post was ignored... this is NOT true. Your FAQ states that the threads have already been migrated! Is it going to happen, or not?