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2530 Views 65 Replies Latest reply: Nov 19, 2007 11:55 PM by evanflein RSS Go to original post 1 2 3 4 5 Previous Next
  • BeeMan458 Pro 131 posts since
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    30. Nov 19, 2007 10:53 AM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    Please, don't hurt your tongue; rape is all around us.  San Jose, where I live, is the safest large city in the US, yet rape is a regularly reported crime.  One only needs to put "Crime Statistics (their city)" into their search engine in order to pull up current crime statistics.

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    We teach our kids to be safe. Forgive me for encouraging others to do the same as it's not a safe world out there. Allow me to not understand why you want people to believe that it's a safe world out there, when clearly, statistics and experience proves that it's not.

    Your lack of concern (downplaying) in regard to this matter is upsetting.

    Please, all, be safe as it's better to be safe than sorry.

  • rochrunner Legend 974 posts since
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    31. Nov 19, 2007 10:56 AM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    quote:


    Originally posted by MustangSally:

    Don't let this pervasive culture of fear taint your world without real evidence of a real risk. We're so busy barricading the world away from our doors that we've gone and imprisoned ourselves.


     



    I agree with you on this, but lately my concerns are more about 4-legged predators than the 2-legged variety. A couple months ago, a 50-ish female jogger in an adjacent county was attacked and killed by a couple of pit bulls that had escaped from some nut-case owner's unsecured property. Of course, rural areas are more likely to have situations like this than the developed suburban areas where most of us hang out.



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  • KarlRysted Legend 314 posts since
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    32. Nov 19, 2007 11:19 AM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    In the U.S., sexual assault is a real problem from someone you know, much more so than from a stranger encountered while running or anywhere else.  I know a little about that from my work, along with domestic violence in general.  Hopefully Canada is better in that regard, Sally.

    I will be water running this evening and will post if time allows. I've been looking at race schedules and was a little frustrated to find no local races in early January to help me get ready for Carlsbad. Well, there's a 5k on New Year's I could do because I should be doing speedwork by then again. If only the Houston half marathon were a week earlier, that would be a perfect training run.

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  • SMP Legend 1,297 posts since
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    33. Nov 19, 2007 11:21 AM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    Munch, we're praying our tails off for ya up here. Stay out of your head, it's a dangerous place to go alone.


    Jeanne1, invite your DH to go with you. Most bad people are not out and about that time of day. I'm sure there's stats on a web site to verify. He is more likly to get hit by a car while driving down the road. He should probably stay home.....Give him a list of chores to make sure he doesn't get bored. Pepper spray.

    On the back roads one winter, I had an experience with a couple of guys in a 4 wheeled drive.I doubled back, got a plate number and went between trees and off road and left them behind. How ofter are we going to let fear dictate our choices.

    8.36 soaked miles.


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  • choover Legend 1,120 posts since
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    34. Nov 19, 2007 11:23 AM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    Touchy subject for me.

    Sal, I agree with you for the most part in not letting our "pervasive culture of fear taint your world without real evidence" and not letting the boogie-man push you to a treadmill. But this becomes much more difficult to overcome if you've ever found yourself in the wrong place, at the wrong time. It does happen and it happens fast when you are least prepared. But yes, 5 a.m. is probably the safest time to be out and mean dogs are probably the biggest concern for most runners.

    Going back to Jeanne's post, your DH just loves and cares about you and wants yout to be safe. We all need to try to find a suitable time and place for running where we can let go of any fears and run mindlessly for pure enjoyment and without unduly stressing out our significant others. My DH and I wrangle with this problem all the time as he is rather overprotective and I'm bull-headed to a fault. I abhor the idea of fear dictating my running habits. But I do understand his point of view.

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  • vista129 Legend 800 posts since
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    35. Nov 19, 2007 11:39 AM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    Okay....okay......Ladies.....for a small fee......I will come to your area and pick you up to go for a run for protection........All I ask is that you do indeed protect me.



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  • Econo011 Legend 1,429 posts since
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    36. Dec 26, 2007 11:23 PM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    I agree with Mustang Sal.  2-legged predators are less likely to be awake in the predawn hours than at, say, 11pm.

    I was attacked very violently at age 16 while running on a beautiful but remote trail outside of Portland OR. For 3 decades afterwards I stayed off trails. Enough of that! I want to run trails! So I bought and carry a lightweight canister of pepper spray, attached by a ring to one of those livestrong-type bands (so if it falls out of my hand, it is still dangling from my wrist). It is no trouble at all to carry. I am prepared to use it on creeps and critters alike.

    Running in residential areas -- no big deal. Running on lonely country roads -- a bit more dangerous (plus you have the dog factor).

    15 min rowing and 30 min spinning.

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  • Tamalina Legend 1,589 posts since
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    37. Nov 19, 2007 11:43 AM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    Monday 11/29 boomer runs??

    I've just lost 10 days, one of which is my bday. . . . Although I sometimes prefer to just skip over my bday, so maybe it's not such a bad thing. . . .

    I'll get in a 6 mile run after work tonight - on the TM at the gym.

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  • evanflein Legend 1,275 posts since
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    38. Dec 26, 2007 11:23 PM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    One of the neat things about this thread... someone can post an early question and it becomes the theme of the day... or at least an open discussion on all the different options/viewpoints!

    I have to agree with MustangSally here... not that BeeMan doesn't have some very valid observations. I'm sure if I lived in a big city I'd feel differently. I run alone all the time. I usually run in the evenings after work, but weekends I run mornings or mid-day. I usually run on the bikepaths along the roads, or on the roads themselves, but all of it pretty rural (many of the roads are unpaved). Sometimes on trails if I'm lucky. My biggest concerns are: 1) loose dogs 2) moose 3) cars. I rarely encounter other humans... other than the woman on our road who walks constantly (also alone). Much to DH's dismay I rarely carry my cell phone just cuz I don't like to carry/take anything much on my runs.

    However... when I ran the strip in Vegas, I was not going to do that alone. I was very happy to meet up with Joey for that run and was glad I did... a few late partiers (it was 6 am or so) oozing out of the casinos made me really glad for company!

    The weather is what sends me to the treadmill...
    Nice snow, Larry... we got some of that too but not that much!

    ETA: Rest day for me.... but might do some weights or bike after work... or not. 41 miles total last week, was glad to get over 40 again!

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  • KarlRysted Legend 314 posts since
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    39. Nov 19, 2007 12:06 PM (in response to predawnrunner)
    Re: Monday 11/29 Boomer runs, etc

    quote:


    Originally posted by TammyM:

    Monday 11/29 boomer runs??

    I've just lost 10 days, one of which is my bday. . . . Although I sometimes prefer to just skip over my bday, so maybe it's not such a bad thing. . . .


     



    Nothing gets past you-I didn't notice the date.  Like you need to worry about your birthday, Youngpunkalina.

  • Tamalina Legend 1,589 posts since
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    41. Nov 19, 2007 12:23 PM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    quote:


    Originally posted by Opie:

    Nothing gets past you-I didn't notice the date. Like you need to worry about your birthday, Youngpunkalina.


     



    an eye for detail - I guess that is why I was the copy editor of my highschool newspaper and am a researcher/writer by profession.   

    well said PDR. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

    How are some of you running in the pitch black in areas w/o street lights though? If I were to run pre-dawn (not that I would, but let's just say . . . ), I would be running into ditches, tripping over bumps in the road and generally just getting lost. Do you have a running headlamp you are using?

  • evanflein Legend 1,275 posts since
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    42. Nov 19, 2007 12:28 PM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    In the winter, it's dark almost all the time I run during the week. this [/URL" target="_blank"> is what I use.

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  • vista129 Legend 800 posts since
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    43. Nov 19, 2007 12:34 PM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    And I want to go on record to say that Erika protected me very well on our run along the  Las Vegas strip.


    Seriously though, one thing that is of advantage is that for MANY situations, many of you can outrun most would be attackers. That is an advantage that you have.

    ALL of us need to be smart in the choices we make as to what, when, where, why and how type concerns. Once we have gone through a solid plan to be smart on all of these, then we can't let our fears overcome us.

    I was talking to a lady yesterday who said that due to fear, she has lived in this city for two years and only knows the lady who colors her hair. While I understand her concern, what a shame to be imprisoned by fear.



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  • BeeMan458 Pro 131 posts since
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    44. Nov 19, 2007 12:34 PM (in response to predawnrunner)
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    Some seem to be misconstruing what I'm writing as "Don't run at all."

    It seems that giving warnings such as "Keep you eyes on a swivel." and "Beware/Be prepared." is now a bad thing to do. Makes one very self-conscious and defensive. I'll be more careful with future thoughts of concern.

    Wishing all safe runnings.

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