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31 Replies Last post: Dec 11, 2007 3:30 PM by kendallfemtrackrunner   Go to original post 1 2 3 Previous Next
Click to view Spareribs049's profile Legend 1,728 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
15. Dec 10, 2007 12:27 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
Time out! I want to know what this line means from one responder:

"I have had so many hang up on me when they find out that I am in that undesirable older female demographic."

Please explain why this segment, one of the most economically powerful in the U.S., is "undesirable."

Spareribs
Click to view swell's profile Amateur 12 posts since
Oct 15, 2007
16. Dec 10, 2007 12:42 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
Interesting because we have not really defined empowerment. Does it mean feeling good because you beat someone or feeling good about yourself no matter what your pace. I'm 48 and folically challenged (no gray but much less wind resistance and above average cooling) so maybe I'm not your target but I have 18 and 20 year daughters and a 49 year old wife who run. I'd like to think they are as empowered as anyone.

Perhaps the blessing of age is you start to care less about the more mundane and trivial goals and more about what makes you happy. There are a fair number of 40 to 70 year old old women who run in local running groups and they generally seem pretty upbeat so maybe they are more empowered then us guys always looking to see who we might be beating.
Click to view RunstheBitterroot's profile Legend 591 posts since
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17. Dec 10, 2007 1:02 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
Hi Kendall! SP ok? Your post struck me funny bone. A certain amount of innocence and naivity lends something to your post that is just cute and laughable. BTW we don't smoke the pine needles on the Bitterroot Cheryl, though we have had to breath it alot this summer.

I am loosing some hair on top, but I don't feel very well impowered but more so than if I used one of those tacky hair pieces or combed my thinning hair up over my head to hide what everyone already knows.

Empowerment is an internal job.

Larry

Larry

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Click to view tomwhite's profile We're Not Worthy 1,997 posts since
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18. Dec 10, 2007 1:02 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
.......heck, if I'd been grey at 19........I'd have registered as a 40-year old and Won A Lot of Tin.....

except for the Moral Issues of course
Click to view Soundrunner's profile Legend 408 posts since
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19. Dec 10, 2007 1:07 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
quote:<HR>Originally posted by swell:
There are a fair number of 40 to 70 year old old women who run in local running groups and they generally seem pretty upbeat so maybe they are more empowered then us guys always looking to see who we might be beating.<HR>



I think you're onto something.
Click to view vista129's profile Legend 801 posts since
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20. Dec 10, 2007 1:17 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
I can STILL remember sitting in Algebra II class as a high school sophmore and the girl sitting behind me suddenly shreaking...."Joey has gray hair". Even at that age I had some hairs that were turning color. However, they were few and far between until my 40's.

Anyway, the empowering aspect is more of a self confidence thing than anything else. As has been said, it needs to be defined as well.

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21. Dec 10, 2007 2:29 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
I will assume this is a legit post. There are two issues here. Being grey, and being athletic. I happened to know two people, one male, one female that were both 90% grey in their early twenties. The woman didn't start dying her hair until late twenties/early thirties. I think until that age, it was still obvious she was young.

I have a lot of grey, at age 43. It is not empowering. You hit a certain age and the tables turn. Sure with my bifocals on and a bit of grey, I look like the female CEO on board of directors. But now I cover most of it up, and it makes me look at least 5 years younger. I think at your age, that is just not an issue, so perhaps that is why you find that image empowering.

Being athletic is empowering at any age. Period.
Click to view Holly S.'s profile Legend 1,828 posts since
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23. Dec 10, 2007 3:34 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
Being gray-haired, in and of itself, will not empower you. Hair color has nothing to do with being a strong woman.

Like Enk said, being athletic is empowering at any age

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24. Dec 10, 2007 5:09 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
quote:<HR>Originally posted by hollys4874:
Being gray-haired, in and of itself, will not empower you. Hair color has nothing to do with being a strong woman.

Like Enk said, being athletic is empowering at any age

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Yes, I agree, though I think the OP might consider that being gray-haired at 19 would make a woman feel empowered. The athletic aspect is just bonus all around.

I think I found my first gray hairs around 25. Considering my mom had started to go gray at 19, I felt well ahead of the game. And I hadn't even started running yet then!

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25. Dec 10, 2007 7:40 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
OK, here's the deal. I may have sounded a little nasty this morning, but with just cause. I'm 55 years old and come from a generation where there were absolutely no athletic opportunities for women. High school sports consisted of intramural basketball and baseball, and I think my junior and senior years we might have had a girls' track team. Factor into that parents who didn't have the time or energy to help their kids be more physically active, and you're looking at a family of overweight couch potatoes. I didn't start actively exercising until I was in my 30's, married and had my first child. Gray hair? Empowerment? I'm just so happy I've discovered what a working body is capable of, I've quit worrying about the small stuff. Kendall, if I sounded sarcastic and mean, that wasn't the case. It's just that today's generation of women don't know how lucky they are to be living in a world where so many opportunities have opened for women (yes, Title IX was a great thing), that to listen to them throw the "empowerment" word out there is hard for me to comprehend. You are blessed - take that and run with it, and the rest will work itself out, no matter what color your hair is.
Click to view ptbrown's profile Legend 424 posts since
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26. Dec 10, 2007 7:51 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
I like this!

Kendall, we haven't had such an animated discussion since someone debated the advantage of oatmeal versus metamucil. Thanks for stirring things up!

As several folks have noted the discussion is somewhat aimless until we agree on what empowerment means. If you are truly serious, you'll want to think about that.

For me, empowerment comes -or at least starts - from within. It is how you feel about yourself and how you expect to deal with other people. It is not something people "give" you.

When my daughter was small she asked if she could play hockey. I registered her on a boys team because I wanted her to learn to deal with males as equals. In 8th grade a boy confronted her after a game. "I'm going to knock your head off. You're gonna be hamburger" he raged. She coolly and slowly looked him head to toe and back up to meet his eyes again. Then she said, "You're not big enough, assh*le." The guy wilted and slunk away. At that moment I had accomplished what I wanted in having her play on boys teams.

She's now 20 years old, 5'2" and 110 pounds and still playing hockey. She is also very effective in working in male organizations.
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27. Dec 11, 2007 10:49 AM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
quote:<HR>Originally posted by swell:
Interesting because we have not really defined empowerment. Does it mean feeling good because you beat someone or feeling good about yourself no matter what your pace. I'm 48 and folically challenged (no gray but much less wind resistance and above average cooling) so maybe I'm not your target but I have 18 and 20 year daughters and a 49 year old wife who run. I'd like to think they are as empowered as anyone.

Perhaps the blessing of age is you start to care less about the more mundane and trivial goals and more about what makes you happy. There are a fair number of 40 to 70 year old old women who run in local running groups and they generally seem pretty upbeat so maybe they are more empowered then us guys always looking to see who we might be beating.
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Ditto!

This confirms it, engineers have a way with words...

swoon
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28. Dec 11, 2007 12:50 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
Hi Rosie
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29. Dec 11, 2007 1:04 PM in response to: kendallfemtrackrunner
Re: being gray, female, and empowered
I think we're way overthinking this "empowerment" thing with Kendall. I'm guessing she's a 19-year-old looking for some validation/support from us older women for going gray at her age, and that's just fine. At least, I wasn't thinking much about "empowerment" at 19 in the way I think of it with 25 more years' life experience.

(hi rosie!)