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12 Replies Last post: Dec 4, 2007 6:25 PM by CliffD  
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Nov 8, 2007 2:02 PM

Las Vegas Marathon: letter from the organizers

Being involved in the running scene in Las Vegas, and chatting occasionally with a wonderful individual who helps with the organizing of the race but also volunteers where I work, I received the following email this morning.

Mars


Let's start with a mea culpa. Yep. We completely buggered things up last December. No excuses. No alibis. We just flat out blew it. We deserve nearly every brick that has been thrown at us. It is altogether amazing that the same crew (us) that has put on 22 LA Marathons could have done things so badly here in Vegas in '06. Totally bizarre. Here is a rehash of the problems we introduced last year, and the simple cures we are going to apply this year:

- Last year we brought in our clock/mile marker crew from LA. Big mistake. They were unfamiliar with the course, and did not know their way around Vegas. On race morning the crew had trouble finding the mile points, so the leader of the band inexplicably decided just to put the clocks....wherever. Huh? Why? Fugheddaboudit!

This year we are using a crew from the Las Vegas Track Club. These folks know the city, and they are the people who actually measure the course for USATF certification. They will be able to drive to every mile point and every 5k split without a moment's worth of trouble. Case closed. Problem solved.

- Last year Devine tried to go cheap on the shirts and the medals. Major mistake. Completely unacceptable. Those of us on the operations arm have lambasted the financiers in Chicago, and we have won. This year we will have performance shirts instead of those [i].85 cotton wonders. And we are badgering Devine to provide a medal that is uniquely, distinctly Las Vegas, and we are winning the battle. Those Made in China wonders last year were about as ordinary as you could imagine. Never again.

- The food disaster was...a disaster. We had enough food on hand to feed 25,000 people. We had only 16,400 finishers, yet we ran out of food. How can that happen??? Well, none of us bothered to reconnoiter the parking lot at Mandalay Bay on a Sunday morning to watch the migration of employees when they change shifts at 7:00 a.m. BIG mistake. When the worker bees at Mandalay Bay and the Four Seasons Hotel changed shifts, it seems as if all 3,500 of them made a beeline for the parking lot and went straight to the food area. It was staggering to see. By the time we figured out what was going on we had probably fed 2,000 people with a week's worth of energy bars, nutrition bars, bananas, apples and oranges. There were people walking away with boxes of food, because our volunteer staff felt too outgunned to shoot back.

The placement of Marathon Foto made it even worse. Last year's finishers crossed the finish line, had their chip removed, got wrapped in a mylar blanket, and then had their medals placed around their necks. Fine. That part was perfect. It was the next step that was the problem. Marathon Foto was between the finish line and the food. That meant that nearly every one of the 8,000+ half-marathon finishers had to have their pictures taken right then and there, and at least half of them wanted family members, friends, neighbors, dogs, cats...even mortal enemies...in the picture. It was nuts. Once their entourages were in the finish corral, the whole posse would head to the food table, and Voila!...we ran out of food before most of the marathon participants had a chance to grab some grub. Like I said before, never again!

This year Marathon Foto will be banished to an area OUTSIDE the finish area. They will not like it, but tough. We have Customers to satisfy, and we aim to do it. And this year we are going to lock down the finish area tighter than Dick Cheney's bunker. We are going to construct a finish chute using a combination of bicycle barricades, orange plastic fencing and human volunteers. You are going to need serious credentials or a salt-encrusted face to get anywhere near the chow. No exceptions allowed.

You know, last year was a miserable experience for almost everyone involved. And it is all the more stunning given the years of experience our team has. We were humbled and chastened by the comments on MarathonGuide.com, so we have dedicated ourselves to making amends. This year we WILL give all of our participants a joyful and memorable experience, because all of the stupid problems we introduced last year are so easily correctable.

We are runners too. All of us have run dozens of marathons, and hundreds of road races. We know what we like, and we know what folks like you want from an event.

So there you have it. We have put our house in order, and we are ready for anything short of a meteorite shower. We truly would be delighted to have you experience the fun of the Las Vegas Marathon in 2007, so we hope you will give it a shot.
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1. Nov 9, 2007 9:06 AM in response to: mountmars
Re: Las Vegas Marathon: letter from the organizers
Now this is the right way to handle a bad situation - admit the mistakes, identify what happened, figure out how to fix them, and then (most importantly) communicate what's being done.

I'm sure there will be a much better experience in LV this year.

Bill

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2. Nov 9, 2007 1:58 PM in response to: mountmars
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As fouled up as it was last year - I was there for Vegas and to enjoy the run - I would do it again - Just for an excuse to go to Vegas.

I believe that if they fix what went wrong last year and then start imrpoving every year, it can be a top notch event.
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3. Nov 9, 2007 6:40 PM in response to: mountmars
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by breger1:
Now this is the right way to handle a bad situation - admit the mistakes, identify what happened, figure out how to fix them, and then (most importantly) communicate what's being done.

I'm sure there will be a much better experience in LV this year.

Bill

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Exactly - even enumerated the problems - very refreshing and enough to make me want to run LV!

kestrou
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4. Nov 13, 2007 4:33 PM in response to: mountmars
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What great news! I was going to do it inspite of the problems I heard about it. I will be there! Larry

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5. Nov 14, 2007 12:33 PM in response to: mountmars
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Didn't run LV last year, probably won't this year, but I am very impressed by the honesty and efforts of the race director to make it better. **** happens----whether it is LV, or Philli or Ottawa-- I know that the good marathons continue to work to make their product better. LV might not be a good marathon now but if this letter is an indication, they have potential. Bravo.

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6. Nov 15, 2007 6:21 PM in response to: mountmars
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Interesting. I had heard bits and pieces about all the problems from last year AFTER I signed up to run the half this summer. It got me a little nervous, but this is good info. Recovery is huge when it comes to dealing with a big fiasco like it must have been last year, so kudos to them for taking it public and being honest about everything.

I'm excited about it! I've been to plenty of races with crappy shirts and no food left, so it's not the end of the world. However, a correctly measured course is pretty elementary. And I've had exactly one decent photo from all the many races I've done, so my expectations there are pretty low anyway! Let's hope they pull it off and get plenty of press for doing it RIGHT this year!
Carrie
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7. Nov 27, 2007 9:33 AM in response to: mountmars
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The fact that Devine finally paid the winners there money at the end of November - Almost 1 year after the event tells me that they still hold money over and above taking care of runners -

I hope its not a sign of things to come for all of you !
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8. Nov 30, 2007 4:13 PM in response to: mountmars
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Well, I'll be there this weekend to give it a shot. Hopefully it will be a good one with improvements over what I heard about last year.
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9. Dec 2, 2007 4:15 PM in response to: mountmars
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I am all ears - How did it go this year ????
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10. Dec 4, 2007 3:42 PM in response to: mountmars
Re: Las Vegas Marathon: letter from the organizers
quote:<HR>Originally posted by RunForFun:
I am all ears - How did it go this year ????

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I did not run it in 2006, but I ran in 2005 and just this past weekend in 2007. I read all the comments from last year on forums, marathonguide, etc. and was really worriedd about running it again. 2005 went really well I thought so I don't know what caused the catastrophe of 2006.

I really felt like it was obvious that Devine worked really hard to correct the mistakes of 2006. There were still a few issues that can be improved (but there always are). The mile markers were easy to spot from about a half mile away, the aid stations were all good wiith a couple that probably could have used a few more volunteers...but that seems to be true in every race I run.

The start corrals are not policed or organized still...but perhaps there weren't enough volunteers to check if people had a ib ffor the sub 4 and sub 3 hour corrals. The Strip is wide open enough that even stuck in the middle of the pack was not unbearable...just slightly tight for the first mile. a lot of this is caused by the half and full starting at the same time so everyone can get the fireworks at the start....and as in any race there were a lot of people lined up way too close to the front and running 12 minute mile pace, walking, etc. This became an issue at the end b/c Frank Sinatra Blvd is under construction and a lot of half marathon walkers were lined up 3-4 abreast at mile 24-26 for the marathoners...not the time you want to be dodging walkers. This wasn't Devines fault though - these people just need to learn to walk to the side. Some signs might help...then again people will do what they want.

It sounds like some people in the half were confused by the turn off for the half marathon. TThis is easy to fix though. I thought it was pretty easy with the guy yelling "Marathon - straight. Half - turn left!"

There was plenty of food at the end which was one of the problems last year.

All in all, the race was fantastic. Weather was perfect. Devine really seemed to pull it off given how difficult things seemed to be last year.

I have no doubt I will run this one again.
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11. Dec 4, 2007 6:13 PM in response to: mountmars
Re: Las Vegas Marathon: letter from the organizers
Good to hear - I have heard some additional negative comments about drop bag logistics.

I think if they continually strive to improve this could be a good one. It will always be a fun one.
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12. Dec 4, 2007 6:25 PM in response to: mountmars
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Yeah, I was fortunate and didn't have to use the bag drop. It sounds like that is definitely an area they can improve. I think the lesson from this year is that at least they listened and focused on the areas that needed the most attention. I think you are right - if they can continue to focus on improving every aspect of the race, this could be a fantastic event. It certainly has a lot of potential...I mean it is Vegas after all!