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Click to view crvc56's profile Amateur 16 posts since
May 29, 2007

Jun 22, 2007 10:58 AM

Low carb running?

Anyone here follow a low carb diet? If so, what do you eat in ultras? I've kept my daily carb intake below 80 grams for the past few weeks. Instead of carbs I've been eating a lot of fat from avocados, peanut butter, olives.

I've lost significant weight this way. My runs are a lot slower than they used to be but the tradeoff seems to be less muscle soreness. Also I'm affected less by the heat.

I'm wondering what to eat during an upcoming 24-hour race.
Click to view RunForFun001's profile Legend 776 posts since
Jan 25, 2007
1. Jun 22, 2007 11:14 AM in response to: crvc56
During the 1st 2 weeks you should expect to lose 6-10 pounds of Glycogen and h20 that is needed to store glycogen - Most people think they have lost fat - after the 1st 6-10 you start working on fat.

I've been successful with this type of diet - but not successful training to run or running races.

Good luck - I hope someone has an answer for you.
Click to view CSuzette's profile Legend 290 posts since
Apr 8, 2005
2. Jun 22, 2007 11:49 AM in response to: crvc56
I follow a low-carb diet, but I have not tried an ultra.

If I was going to do an ultra I would try pemmican. You can buy it on the Internet without honey in it. If there was someone to serve food to me I would eat a steak or plain hamburger meat.

When I ran a marathon I used salted water and L-Glutamine the entire way. I was tired, but no bonk. In my book L-Glutamine is a miracle substance.
Click to view ultra mom's profile Amateur 14 posts since
Jul 2, 2006
3. Jun 22, 2007 11:50 AM in response to: crvc56
I don't know how you could attempt a 24 hour run with very low carb intake. My personal experience has taught me that endurance running on a low carb diet leads me right into low blood sugar, which is vary unpleasant. I try to avoid simple carbs in races, like the candy and cookies and chips. (You know, the good stuff!) Instead, I use dried fruit and bananas for a fast energy source, and whole grain bread with peanut butter, brown rice, sweet potato, similar stuff for the long haul. Along with lots of lean protein. I notice a serious energy drop while following a low carb program. I can do this short term only when I'm not running a whole lot. Definitely not while training for an event.
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Click to view merigayle's profile Legend 1,586 posts since
Aug 15, 2007
4. Jun 22, 2007 1:05 PM in response to: crvc56
i will be impressed if you can run 24 hours without carbs. I could not even fathom not running with sports drink, clif blocks, and ensure. Not even talking about all the food. You will have to be crafty on getting in all your calories and nutritional needs for 24 hours as well. would love a report of how you did and how you felt if you are brave enough to try it.
Click to view runnertim's profile Legend 273 posts since
Nov 26, 2007
5. Jun 22, 2007 2:10 PM in response to: crvc56
Just my humble opinion, I think you would be doing yourself a favor if you didn't follow your diet for one day. You can eat plenty of carbs during your 24hour run...............You WILL be burning thousands of calories that day.

Are diets supposed to be that strict that you can't forgo them even on days of extreme endurance events?
Click to view formationflier's profile Legend 989 posts since
Oct 13, 2007
6. Jun 22, 2007 3:04 PM in response to: crvc56
I'm nothing close to a low-carb eater, in any sense. However,
I use no carbs before or during training runs, and in some cases
I'll run marathons with no carbs. It's taken a lot of very specific
training to get me to that point, optimizing my training zones and
so forth, to teach my body to use primarily fat as a fuel source,
even at a pretty brisk pace. However, even if one were to train
this way in an optimal fashion (I don't know of anyone who has
focused on it to the extent I have or has even come close to my
results in this regard), there is still a significant amount of glycogen
that is used during a long run. When a race gets longer than about
5 hours, I count on taking in a mix of carbs, fats, and proteins.
I think you would really be doing yourself a disservice by restricting
your diet during a 24 hour race, making an event that is already
extremely challenging into one that is much worse. And in reality,
when you've been out there for 12, 14, 16 hours, and longer, I'd
be surprised if any such plan weren't to fly right out the window along
with your remaining sanity. Don't kid yourself. Ditch the diet during
the race and come back to it after recovery.

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Click to view merigayle's profile Legend 1,586 posts since
Aug 15, 2007
8. Jun 22, 2007 5:25 PM in response to: crvc56
i'd like to know how it goes for you. See how you do without carbs and sports drink.
The most common culprit of stomach issues at ultras is sugar.
Click to view markc7079's profile Pro 197 posts since
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11. Jun 28, 2007 2:53 PM in response to: crvc56
Good luck. You may be in for a tough run without carbs, but here's hoping you prove us wrong! Have a great time.

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12. Jun 30, 2007 10:09 PM in response to: crvc56
Good luck in your race! I am another low carb long distance runner. Well not ultra-runner, I use Ultima Replenisher -- it is a good electrolyte replacement drink and is sweetened by Stevia. I hope everything went well with your race.

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Click to view formationflier's profile Legend 989 posts since
Oct 13, 2007
13. Jul 1, 2007 9:45 AM in response to: crvc56
quote:<HR>Originally posted by bowulf:
Good luck in your race! I am another low carb long distance runner. Well not ultra-runner, I use Ultima Replenisher -- it is a good electrolyte replacement drink and is sweetened by Stevia. I hope everything went well with your race.

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I run many marathons without any carbs or calories also. I just don't
think it's possible to do well in races much longer than that, however,
without taking in all kinds of calories: carbs, proteins, and fats (
although I think Karl Meltzer takes in only carbs if I'm not mistaken).

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Click to view kateMD's profile Pro 122 posts since
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14. Jul 1, 2007 10:32 AM in response to: crvc56
And remember, although you can shift to MORE fat burning for fuel, it's still just a PROPORTION of fat vs. carbs. "Fat burns in a carbohydrate flame."

Kate