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Click to view fatozzig039's profile Legend 486 posts since
Aug 9, 2006

Aug 26, 2007 5:15 PM

Neo-Trail Runners Extreme Team - Wk of 08/26/07

Hi, Everyone! Made it through my run yesterday and we had a great time! 18 miles round trip, up to an elevation of approximately 6,000 feet. Some grades we climbed were at 17% of better. Going up, it was a lot more hiking than running. An absolutely stunningly beautiful area, the Trinity Alps. Will post pics once I get my film developed. We made it in and out in about 7 hrs. 45 min., and that's with stopping for about 40 minutes to get water and purify it. I'm tired today, and my hamstrings are tight (as usual), but other than that, I feel great.

The Trinity Alps are made mostly of granite. We ran across huge slabs of it, and had to pick our way around lots of rocks and boulders. It was incredible to get to the top and realize that some of the peaks right above our heads were ones we had been looking at waaaay down below.

There were two beautiful lakes up top, and I stood in one for about half an hour cooling off my tootsies while we waited for our water to purify. It was so quiet and peaceful. The sun was out. I can't fully describe the beauty.

We took our time going in, not just because of the beauty and site-seeing, but because of the altitude and the weight of our packs. We had packed extra food and a few emergency items "just in case." The altitude took a toll on the ole lungs, and made us feel really out of shape. Coming out, we were able to run more, but it's definitely more of a hiking trail than running trail. However, I'm ready to do it again. There was another trail to Boulder Creek that's 18 miles round trip, and I think we might give that one a try next time. Plus, about a mile past the two lakes we made it to, there's another lake. But it's supposedly harder to get to, with more climbing and scaling over granite. Could be fun!

I have decided, however, that I need to figure out other foods to carry on long runs. Clif bars are sweet, shot blocks are sweet, the water w/GU2O is sweet. Ugh! I got to a point where if I had to eat another Clif bar, I was going to throw up. I should've cut up more than one apple, 'cause eating that was so refreshing after awhile. But I also got to the point where I would've given anything for some cold water. I'm wondering how well boiled potatoes would hold up if you didn't boil them down to be completely soft, were still a little firm. Lots are carbs without the sweet. If any of you have any ideas for other fuels, I'd appreciate the advise.

Have a great week, everyone!

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1. Aug 27, 2007 9:22 AM in response to: fatozzig039
Leslie, I always pack some potato chips for my salt fix on long adventures like this. OR, good old fashioned trail mix with nuts. I get tired of sweetness pretty fast, too.

Kate

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Click to view Gregolowe's profile Legend 324 posts since
Jul 6, 2006
2. Dec 27, 2007 2:00 AM in response to: fatozzig039
I'm so glad you had a great time! I knew you would. I read about that area I think on Scott Dunlap's Trail runners blog as he did the Death Ride there I think. Either that or jleitner ran a triple marathon there. Anyways, I'm sure you got a better experience of the area by getting off road and back into the hills. Did it make the wait and the drive worth it? Was running the streets in prep a worthy sacrifice to make to get that reward? I was thinking about you this morning wondering how your run went. I pulled up the web this morning as I was getting ready for work and saw that you had posted already and I had to laugh as it was about 8:00 am.
As for fuel, I tried various stuff this weekend. First, I ate two pieces of leftover pizza, ham and onion. It kind of sat in my stomach a little heavy till my next feeding about 1.5 hours later. Then, I tried candy corn. Talk about SWEET! I wouldn't recommend that if you're trying to get away from sweet stuff. Man. Next I tried some pancakes. You read right, pancakes! I had some left overs from the previous morning, 3 blueberry and 1 chocolate chip, all homemade. Before I left for the run I cut the stack in half, put it in a quart zip lock bag, poured in some pure maple syrup, then put the whole thing in another zip lock for safety's sake. When I opened it up to eat em, they had absorbed all the syrup. I just pulled em out and chowed down. Man, were they ever good! And, they boosted my energy within about 10 minutes very well. They weren't as sweet as you might expect. Give that a try if you don't mind the weight. That was it for fuel. I bought some NUUN tablets for electrolyte replacement. 1 tab per 16oz of water. Kind of like flavored Alka Seltzer. Kind of gross guzzling fizzy water but seemed to work okay. No bonking this week. It's hard to tell if it was the intentional increase of calories over last week or the addition of electrolyte tabs. Guess I'm no scientist. I'll just have to go for both in my long runs. I'll experiment some more in the future. Yesterday I bought some fig and blueberry breakfast bars at Trader Joe's. I love that store! I'm going to give those a shot next week.
As for my run, I got up at 2:30am, drove an hour north to the Appalachian Trail at Lehigh Gap. I had bought a head lamp at REI on Friday so I was stoked to give it a try. I was afraid of ghosts and monsters my whole life growing up and the dark as well. It didn't help that I loved reading those kind of stories and watching scary movies either. The last time I was on the AT about 3 years ago I was backpacking by myself and got wigged out as it was getting dark because I had watched the Blair Witch Project the day before. So, my mind was trying to play tricks on me the whole time and I had to battle to keep out the Bad Thoughts. I hadn't watched the weather before hand and wasn't expecting what I got. The humidity was 100%. As I climbed the trail, and climbed, and climbed, it got hazier and hazier. Everything was covered in moisture. My light only illuminated an area about 4-5 feet in front of me and that was all like a cloud. I could see the spider webs, about 1/2 a second prior to running into them with my face. My mind had just enough time to register "Spider!" before I plowed into it. No exaggeration, I must have gone through 30 webs in the 2 1/2 hours out. On the way back, they had enough time to rebuild them so double the number for a total of 60 for the run. Most of them weren't full blown webs which I'm thankful for. They seemed to be anchor lines or something, 1 line of webbing dangling down from the limb above to the ground below, covered in dew. Not fun.
Did I mention the rocks? No? Let's just say that the settlers built there houses out of em for a reason. Probably cause there were more of them than there were trees! It was tough to find a flat piece of ground to place my foot in. I was worried about twisting my ankle or knee. Many of the rocks seemed to be like a flat piece of slate, but with the edge poking out of the ground. Not fun for the feet. I was dancing more than running. It made it very difficult to run and my pace was slowed considerably.
I ran the first two hours in the dark. As it got lighter I realized I was running in the fog. A little breeze picked up and was blowing the mist across the beam of my light sideways which was interesting to see. Hmmm, moving soup. I was eventually able to turn off my light and "run" without it. The lookouts from the ridge, and Pennsylvania has some of the best on the AT, were not really "lookouts" that day. I couldn't see more than about 50 yards into the mist.
The 'back' portion of the out and back returned me to my truck 45 minutes sooner than expected due to the decrease in elevation on the return trip. So, I took the trail in the other direction on the other side of the river. Man, it was steep. Very steep. The trail ran straight up a rock face to the top of the ridge on the other side of the river. The gap is cut by a river that runs through the ridge, creating a steep climb back to the top. I hiked about half way up before I had to turn around due to time.
All in all, I had a great time. No bonking. Fuel and hydration worked real good this time. I was soaked the whole time due to the heat and humidity. I was just glad I started at 4 as the day ahead was really bad. I look forward to doing it again, though maybe on the other side of the gap in hopes the rocks will be less. Did I mention how rocky it was?

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Click to view Gregolowe's profile Legend 324 posts since
Jul 6, 2006
4. Aug 27, 2007 1:49 PM in response to: fatozzig039
Other than that, we only saw birds and squirrels. Oh yeah, and two naked guys. That wasn't as pleasant of an experience as it could've been.

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Aug 14, 2007
5. Aug 27, 2007 2:31 PM in response to: fatozzig039
Lesile- That sounded like heaven are you sure you were in CA ? I'm not sure what's going to be my best fuel either. I can stomach a variety of things but sometimes the fuel value isn't readily available. I've heard that some protein especially on those longer trips is very helpful.

Greg -thats pretty ambitious to tackle the AT at night in a fog. You did good. I forgot about spider season, it's still a little early for 'em down here.

I did 14 yesterday. I was dropped at the top of Holston Mt on US 421 and did 4.5 on an AT ridgeline, then more or less bushwacked a couple looking for a Jeep road. I found it and then a couple more got me to pavement. The balance was pavement and rail-trail to the house.

But the real fun was Sat.--here's the RR
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Click to view Gregolowe's profile Legend 324 posts since
Jul 6, 2006
6. Aug 27, 2007 2:55 PM in response to: fatozzig039
Micro brew, Mmmm.....
Click to view kateMD's profile Pro 122 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
9. Aug 27, 2007 10:21 PM in response to: fatozzig039
Oh, I just remembered another good salty food that packs better than potato chips...corn chips! Yum, yum.

Loved the image of Karen and her bare *** on the trail. She'll do anything for attention, won't she?

Kate
Click to view Gregolowe's profile Legend 324 posts since
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10. Aug 28, 2007 10:57 AM in response to: fatozzig039
How about Corn Nuts? I tried looking for some at a conveniene store prior to my AT run last weekend but couldn't find any. Pleny salty, compact, packed full of energy.
Click to view runNYtrails's profile Pro 121 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
12. Aug 28, 2007 11:52 AM in response to: fatozzig039
fatazzig -

I like oyster crackers in a snack size ziplock baggie. Nice carbs n salt and they fit perfectly in the back pocket of the Race Ready shorts.
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14. Aug 28, 2007 9:18 PM in response to: fatozzig039
How about spaghetti? If I can do pancakes, spaghetti shouldn't be too hard. Think I'll try it this weekend.