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225. Aug 16, 2005 2:59 PM

in response to: kevinm057

quote:<HR>Originally posted by RunBobaluRun:
I am amazed by the mentality of people like you and this walk vs. run issue. How stupid to take the time to post how this program is no good because it involves walk breaks. Very judgmental of other runners who don't do what you want. I'm waiting for you to stick your chest out and say a man runs marathons not walks them!! OK for 50 miles and not for 26.2 because you say so? Funny!

I find your post to be more of a joke than contain anything of value. I do thank you for the entertainment.<HR>

Are you really actually as much of an idiot no-brain or is this some kind of brand of put-on act? Yes and true, some people may not come across and sweet or nice when it comes to talking about or discussin Gallowalking. But Dennis was not saying or claiming the program was "no good" or being hostile or attacking at all whatsoever. Neither not did he state or affirm that Gallowalkers are not "manly" or "macho" enough although you do seem and appear to be the sissy skirt type yourself. How many different numbers of times do people need to explain and point this out.

I guess and assume that to crybaby whiners like you, all commentary and chatter about Gallowalking that isn't 100 percent totally pro and for is "hostile". Dennis clearly obviously doesn't "want" you to do anything, he was just offering and giving his opinion and feelings. But regardless why don't you just get a special T shirt top for your torso that says "welcome to insecure inadequate walk-jog land, now get out and go home". Oh, and no need to thank me gratefuly for more "entertainment" as if you actually like feeling bad as a result and by product of your own issues and problems.

RunBobaluRun

393 posts since
Dec 1, 2004

226. Dec 27, 2007 3:15 AM

in response to: kevinm057

You have to understand that there is a small group of men here with this off the wall mentality concerning walk breaks as being sent from the devil himself to guide the mass of lemons over the nearest cliff. Interesting that they are all men with this judgmental attitude. They attribute walking with failing--as being a weakness that cannot be tolerated. So Jeff makes the marathon easy (so they say), and marathons are suppose to be tough--this is just wrong in their mind.

It's funny, in a sick way.

Bob

http://This message has been edited by RunBobaluRun (edited Aug-16-2005).

Guest

227. Aug 16, 2005 5:06 PM

in response to: kevinm057

If you cannot grasp or figure out the difference between people insisting and declaring that Gallowalking is not the best optimal PERFORMANCE "method" of strategy and their mocking or ridiculing people for being girlish sissies, I pity you and feel sorry for you and suggest and advice you to avoid and stay off the computer machine until reaching a point at which you are able and prepared to read and scan words with comprehension.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by RunBobaluRun:
...sent from the devil himself to guide the mass of lemons over the nearest cliff.

It's funny, in a sick way.<HR>

In a disgustingly ill kind of way, your referring to lemmings as lemons is hilariously funny too as well!

lemonsong

39 posts since
Nov 16, 2004

228. Aug 16, 2005 5:09 PM

in response to: kevinm057

quote:<HR>Originally posted by RunBobaluRun:
You have to understand that there is a small group of men here with this off the wall mentality concerning walk breaks as being sent from the devil himself to guide the mass of lemons over the nearest cliff. Interesting that they are all men with this judgmental attitude. They attribute walking with failing--as being a weakness that cannot be tolerated. So Jeff makes the marathon easy (so they say), and marathons are suppose to be tough--this is just wrong in their mind.

It's funny, in a sick way.

Bob
<HR>

I'm a woman, thank you.

Why do you walk? Are you not disciplined enough to train properly?

RunBobaluRun

393 posts since
Dec 1, 2004

229. Aug 16, 2005 5:15 PM

in response to: kevinm057

True, but I didn't want lemonsong to be left out.

Sounds like your sick. Sick and tired of having to tell runners what they should not be doing.

Relax. Take a walk break. Don't worry about those mass of runners Jeff has helped get out. They won't hurt you.

Bob

hazelrah

154 posts since
May 12, 2001

230. Aug 17, 2005 12:30 PM

in response to: kevinm057

quote:<HR>Originally posted by lemonsong:
Others delude themselves into thinking that run/walking a marathon is a challenge, and take the easy route. These people can't run a marahton, but they want to say they did.

<HR>

As with dcarlson's essay, I do not understand what you are trying to say. It just does not make any sense to me.

If I am to cover 1 mile in 8 minutes, and can take any number of walk breaks I want, how is the accomplishment any different ? I for one would choose to run the whole way at a constant pace(=effort, assume flat) for the "easy way out". Adding walk breaks make things harder, both physically and mentally, IMHO. This is why I do not subscribe to Galloway's concept of walk breaks. One who says taking walk breaks makes things easier is really supporting Galloway as the best training method. If this were true, with less effort I can achieve the same performace; therefore, with equal effort I can acheive better preformance. I do not buy it. The more or longer walk breaks I take, the faster I have to run to make up the difference, which burns more energy and is less efficient.I do not understand those who are saying it is "taking an easy way out", unless they are just trolling. Or is there an automatic assumption that the run walker will be slower ? These discussions are useless without discussing pace.

To simplify, road races are very simple sports, the faster time wins, period. They are NOT running races, they are foot races. In fact, I think summersaulting is legal too, so even foot race is a loose term. Sure, human beings will need to run the whole way IMO to get their best performance. The measure of "proper training" is in the finishing time for that individual, not whether they ran/jogged the whole way.

I will take a 3:30 gallowalking marathoner over a 3:31 marathon runner any day. Likewise, I will take a 3:30 marathon runner over a 3:31 gallowalker any day.

That said, that staring banner of Galloway to the right is creeping me out too.

Cheers- John

lemonsong

39 posts since
Nov 16, 2004

231. Aug 17, 2005 3:16 PM

in response to: kevinm057

quote:<HR>Originally posted by hazelrah:
Or is there an automatic assumption that the run walker will be slower ? These discussions are useless without discussing pace.
<HR>

That's usually my assumption. Walking is slower than running, so walk breaks equate to a slower overall pace.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by hazelrah:

To simplify, road races are very simple sports, the faster time wins, period. They are NOT running races, they are foot races.
<HR>

But we can still debate the method. From the Galloway
site:

Long run facts

* Twenty miles with walk breaks equals 20 miles run continuously at any speed (but you recover faster with walk breaks).
* Forget about speed on long runs. Focus only on the component of endurance.
* You can't run too slowly on the long runs. Run at least two minutes per mile slower than you could run that distance that day, accounting for heat, humidity, etc.
* You usually won't feel bad when you're running too fast at the beginning of the run; you must force yourself to slow down.
* The day before the long run should be a no-exercise day.

Point 1: I don't get it. Is he claiming that walk breaks are equal to
continuous runs, no matter what? What if it's a 50% walking
and 50% running?

Point 2 & 3: This is a joke right? He claims that his method has
worked for a 2:30 marathoner, and speed doesn't matter? I'll bet that 2:30 guy wasn't running his long runs at 10:00 pace.

Point 4: I agree with this point.

Point 5: Another ridiculous point.

What a joke.

hazelrah

154 posts since
May 12, 2001

232. Aug 17, 2005 4:01 PM

in response to: kevinm057

quote:<HR>Originally posted by lemonsong:

That's usually my assumption. Walking is slower than running, so walk breaks equate to a slower overall pace.
<HR>

I agree. But my take is that the run walker will get appropriately and proportionally punished with a slower finish time if their run time is the same pace then if they ran the whole way. Then yes, a 3:40-3:45 is less impressive then a 3:30, although still quite valid to claim a respectable marathon, no matter how they got there (assuming no cheating per USATF rules). I still do not consider the fact that one takes walk breaks alone as taking the easy way out. For example if I am in shape for a 3:30, I could just as easily take the easy way out and run 8:45 the whole way.

My assumptions in these discussion going in a are different, I assume the Gallowalker is going to have to run faster during the running protions to make up for time lost while walking.

lbonney

19 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

233. Aug 17, 2005 4:07 PM

in response to: kevinm057

hazelrah

154 posts since
May 12, 2001

234. Aug 17, 2005 4:21 PM

in response to: kevinm057

quote:<HR>Originally posted by lemonsong:
But we can still debate the method. From the Galloway
site:
...
<HR>

Probably not because I agree with you. I suspect Daniel's recomended paces are closer to what is needed (~30 seconds slower then MP for long runs, and no walking breaks, constant effort). And this slower pace is to allow you to do faster then MP runs (such as tempo) elsewhere in the week. Running slow and long teaches you to run slow and long. And I really do not know what the term "endurance" means here. I have great endurance at 8:30 pace, but it stinks at 6:30 pace. Walk breaks would make it harder for me to zone into a particular effort level (ie, get "into a zone"), which is where I feel I run my best.

What I disagree with is people accusing Gallowalkers of "cheating", being "fakes" or "dogging it", or their marathons being less of an accomplishment based on the fact they took planned walk breaks. I understand these are not your words but words of others I have seen in these debates.

I think walk breaks are great for injury recovery, or general fitness, weight loss runs, site seeing runs, but lousy for maximizing race performance. I know nothing of ultras so my opinion refers only to marathons and shorter races.

I also disagree with Galloways schedules that call for 26+ mile runs(OK, walk/runs or whatever) in training. I have tried 26 mile training that on a couple of occasions with poor results.

pale ale

40 posts since
Feb 11, 2006

235. Aug 3, 2006 1:07 PM

in response to: kevinm057

quote:<HR>Originally posted by kevinm:
This is a commercial forum moderated by the staff from Jeff Galloway productions.

We invite you to post forum entries related to these topics and will do our best to provide appropriate replies.

This forum has been setup as a special arrangement to allow Jeff Galloway Productions to respond to runner's questions <HR>

Unfortuantely the forum moderators are doing a poor job of respoding to the recent flurry of questions regarding the applicaiton of the run/walk method to faster marathons.

jenniferf262

1 posts since
May 10, 2006

236. Aug 20, 2006 12:29 PM

in response to: kevinm057

This forum is so sad. The people who take the time to criticize the way some people do the hardest thing they might ever do should just go do their own thing their own way. It doesn't take anything away from you for people to run a marathon in 3 hours, in 8 hours, to walk, to run, to roll... how other people get their sense of accomplishment doesn't have anything to do with you.
I just wanted to know where to find a special watch, and here you all are, basically standing along my running path at 5 am in the morning telling me I'm not doing it right and the empowered feeling I have and the inspiration I feel... not appropriate by your standards. What is going so wrong with you that you take time to make people feel this way? Spend some time thinking about that, rather than wasting your time trying to belittle the accomplishments of other people who HAVE NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH YOU. It's small, and undignified. This is a running site. Joy, support, health... I encourage you stick to what's important. You are instead embarassing yourselves.

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spankee

421 posts since
Nov 4, 2005

237. Aug 22, 2006 2:45 PM

in response to: kevinm057

quote:<HR>Originally posted by jenniferf262:
This forum is so sad. The people who take the time to criticize the way some people do the hardest thing they might ever do should just go do their own thing their own way. It doesn't take anything away from you for people to run a marathon in 3 hours, in 8 hours, to walk, to run, to roll... how other people get their sense of accomplishment doesn't have anything to do with you.
I just wanted to know where to find a special watch, and here you all are, basically standing along my running path at 5 am in the morning telling me I'm not doing it right and the empowered feeling I have and the inspiration I feel... not appropriate by your standards. What is going so wrong with you that you take time to make people feel this way? Spend some time thinking about that, rather than wasting your time trying to belittle the accomplishments of other people who HAVE NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH YOU. It's small, and undignified. This is a running site. Joy, support, health... I encourage you stick to what's important. You are instead embarassing yourselves.

<HR>

BRAVO!! The bottom line of this should be a respect for each other and what we do--no matter our ability. When I run marathons, I usually run them, but I have also helped people a 10:1 run-walk marathon to a 4:30 finish and have seen the joy that their finish brings them. I wish you joy and good health as you work towards your goal. You have my respect and support.

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It's all good

770

320 posts since
Jul 22, 2006

238. Aug 22, 2006 8:28 PM

in response to: kevinm057

quote:<HR>Originally posted by pale ale:
Unfortuantely the forum moderators are doing a poor job of respoding to the recent flurry of questions regarding the applicaiton of the run/walk method to faster marathons.

<HR>

They are doing allright. By ignoring posts from trolls who contribute nothing to the site.

pale ale

40 posts since
Feb 11, 2006

239. Aug 23, 2006 11:47 AM

in response to: kevinm057

quote:<HR>Originally posted by 770:
They are doing allright. By ignoring posts from trolls who contribute nothing to the site.

<HR>

Bull. Serious questions regarding the applicaiton of the run/walk method to faster marathons have been raised. The moderators have chosen to ignore these questions. If Galloway or the moderators of this site claim that someone running sub-3 would benefit from walk breaks they should be prepared to back up those claims, especally when they are questioned.

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