quote:<HR>Originally posted by pale ale:
Bull. Serious questions regarding the applicaiton of the run/walk method to faster marathons have been raised. The moderators have chosen to ignore these questions. If Galloway or the moderators of this site claim that someone running sub-3 would benefit from walk breaks they should be prepared to back up those claims, especally when they are questioned.

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If you have a serious question then why not start a new thread asking your legitimate question? Hopefully you can ask that question without numerous others piling on with negative comments. This thread has gotten so out of hand I don't blame the moderators for ignoring it. Most of the 'serious' questions in this thread appear to be very aggressive rather than open minded. Bashing the run/walk method helps nobody(I'm not saying you did).

I would also like to hear the answer as to when the run/walk method is no longer a viable approach to a better time. Clearly at some point someone who can run the entire distance will be faster than a person who uses run/walk. So go ahead...open a new thread and ask politely for an answer. My guess is that the Galloway team will be willing to answer. Just remember not to bash them if you don't agree with their answer.

I agree with you, Spankee. We gallowalkers are aware that there are people running the whole way. We don't try to stop them. I don't know what the big deal is. If you find out about the watch, please let me know. I need one too.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by pale ale:
The Galloway moderators have completely failed to address this reasonable analysis. Why? Because they know that run/walk does not work for faster runners. It's a dishonest marketing tactic.

Do you disagree?
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Sure I disagree. I have known Galloway runners up to the 3:15 marathon level, which is a 7:36 pace. I also know that Galloway had a 3 hour pacer at the Marine Corps Marathon 3 years ago. They did 10 second "shuffles" as opposed to walk breaks. And there is no doubt that in my mind that there are a runners faster than the 3 hour who use some form of run/walk/shuffle. So, yes I do disagree with you that faster runners cannot benefit from run/walk. As to how many and/or how much is an individual question just as it is for any runner who determines what works best for them at whichevery race they are participating in, whether it's a 5k or an ultra. And of course, just because a runner uses walk breaks in marathons or ultras does not mean they use them or benefit from them at other distances. There are many different theories as to how walk breaks work/help/hinder runners and this board allows us to discuss those items.

Now, let's address the problem I have with you and zpoint being less than honest posters on this forum. I've been on running boards for a few years now and seen these exact or almost exact statements before from the Scott Douglas crowd who have a personal vendetta against Galloway. You have a beef with Galloway's strategy and are entitled to your opinions. Posters singing Scott Douglas' tune show up in countless Galloway threads whether in the Runner's World, Coolrunning or any other running forum. And it's always about Galloway's "marketing" issues. Not any contributions to how runners using the run/walk can become faster, better or even simply to finish a 5k race, let alone a marathon.

But even when the moderators attempt to respond to your questions you do nothing but disparage them. Since they are here to help facilitate questions/issues among those of us who use or are interested in run/walking there is no point in them engaging you in a meaningless debate that Scott Douglas has already determined for you

It's been very difficult for Galloway and/or other runners using run/walks to have a receptive place we can post and exchange ideas without being ostracized by zpoint and yourself, among others. We've always had to mention our use of run/walks in hushed tones in CR and other sites, similar to certain groups staying in their closet to avoid being denigrated by other runners, especially the Scott Douglas crowd.

This is the first board I'm aware of where run/walkers can freely chat about goals, ambitions, how to achieve them, problems using the run/walk and anything else about run/walk whether using Galloway, Higdon, the Canadian 10/1 version or other versions. It's great that Galloway Productions has furnished this forum.

Just as we don't go posting our questions, stories over in Competitive Running where we know we are not looked upon as "real" runners we would appreciate certain posters who simply want to argue marketing aspects to post where other like minded individuals would gain from their insight.

Simply my 2 cents.

If I couldn't run and take walk breaks I'd have to walk the whole thing. It would take forever.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by pale ale:
So Galloway had a 3-hour pace group at MCM and you speculate that runners faster than 3 hours have used walk breaks during their marathons. This is solid evidence that fast runners could be even faster if they slow down to walk once in a while? Interesting logic.

If Galloway claims that someone who can already run 26.2 miles contonuously at a 7:00 pace could actually finish faster by including walk breaks then that's fine. He should expect to be challenged on that statement and present some evidence to back it up. He has not. As a close to 3 hour marathoner myslef I am entitiled to question these claims, and if Jeff has something intelligent to say about the matter then I welcome his analysis or evidence. If he has none then he should consider cutting the bull.
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I speculate sub 3 hour runners use walk breaks as much as you speculate there aren't any who do. I'm not out to give you proof one way or the other.

Scott Douglas, the Competitive Running forum, letsrun.com and plenty of other running boards on the internet have forum boards who share your point of view and will be glad to support your opinions about Galloway. You're simply not going to be able to drag the moderators on this board into a useless discussion with you about your personal opinions concerning Galloway's marketing strategy.

If you don't think the walk breaks help you in your running, don't use them, as he will tell you. It's simple as that.

Good luck in your running. 3 hour marathon runners are always impressive to me. And your training at that level would undoubtedly be interesting. Just not as a "proof" that Galloway doesn't work for any runners at that level of competition.



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