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Click to view puglogic's profile Expert 58 posts since
Apr 8, 2004

Aug 3, 2005 2:08 PM

rtravers & others who have "evolved" with this stuff

Robin,
Your comments on another thread really interested me.

I started out doing the walk-break thing because I was an adult-onset athlete who started running at 42. I found at first that it was easier to remain injury-free by doing them. At the beginning, I was doing painfully short running intervals on my long runs -- 4:1. As I got stronger and my training changed, those intervals got longer and longer NATURALLY, as my body told me that it didn't feel like it needed that. (I don't walk on my mid-week runs any more)

Nowadays, the degree to which I walk varies, but it rarely exceeds :30-:60 per mile run, and then it serves a function for me...to eat & drink & do some dynamic stretches usually. I didn't do this on purpose....it just seemed to happen gradually and organically. I imagine that, on the ultra training runs I'll do in the future, walking will continue to be an integral part of the strategy.

Are there others out there who started out doing walk breaks and have gradually reduced their importance -- and still remained injury free? Did you have a "plan" for this to happen or did it just work out that way? Just curious.
Click to view Stevie Ray Lopez's profile Legend 532 posts since
Dec 3, 2007
1. Aug 3, 2005 2:18 PM in response to: puglogic
Re: rtravers & others who have "evolved" with this stuff
I'll start this by saying that I've never used the 10/1 system. However, when I returned from being sick around the age of 34ish, my first marathons did use a version of runwalk... I'd run 16-18 miles, and then basically runwalk on kind of a 20 run/3-4 walk cycle.

It was ok... but I really wanted to run the whole way. It felt like an interesting 'bigger' challenge (that in my case, would return me to a semblance of my active life before my 8 year sickness layoff).

I definitely had a plan for reducing/eliminating the walking. My injury rate did not increase. It also didn't decrease.

(side note, for various reasons, I have WALKED a marathon as well as 60 miles over 3 days as part of a breast cancer 3-day thing. It took a lot longer to recover after the distance events that I walked than the ones I ran or ranwalked.)
Click to view cus3435's profile Rookie 4 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
2. Dec 27, 2007 3:15 AM in response to: puglogic
Re: rtravers & others who have "evolved" with this stuff
I'm kinda in this boat. I started running mostly due to seeing the Galloway method online. It gave me a plan that I thought I could handle and wouldn't quit on.

I have also stopped walking during the week on 5 or 6 milers. On the weekend, I normally cover half of my run with 1 short walk break, and then take them more frequently during the last half. For instance. Run 3 miles, walk 1 min, run 3 miles, walk 1 min, then 1mile/1min for the next six miles. And, in all honesty, they are mostly mental crutches. I use them to get water in, but boy do I look forward to them as I'm struggling along. It just worked out this way, I didn't really plan any of it.

And I'm increasing pretty slowly, so injuries haven't crept in yet. (fingers crossed)

Edited to say "hi" to Double Master Lopez. Hope we 30's didn't do anything to chase you off?
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Click to view Stevie Ray Lopez's profile Legend 532 posts since
Dec 3, 2007
3. Aug 3, 2005 5:04 PM in response to: puglogic
Re: rtravers & others who have "evolved" with this stuff
<hijack> Hey Cus. Nah, just busy and if I try to do my thing on Newbie and Basic Training (or even OPEN those areas), I don't unplug for several hours. Don't have that to spend these days. Hope things are well. </hijack>
Click to view cus3435's profile Rookie 4 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
4. Dec 27, 2007 3:15 AM in response to: puglogic
Re: rtravers & others who have "evolved" with this stuff
http://hijack resp.

I understand that. Gongrats on SF and I'll look forward to "seeing" ya if you get less busy.
Click to view spinandrun's profile Pro 183 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
5. Aug 3, 2005 5:50 PM in response to: puglogic
Re: rtravers & others who have "evolved" with this stuff
I am embarrassed to be posting this again, but I think that this is where it belongs.

Yes, I started with Galloway and have progressed to running without breaks, with the help of srlopez and others.

I used Galloway for my first 3 'thons, walking less and less with each one. After my last race I decided that I no longer really needed or wanted the breaks.

The transition was way easier than I thought it would be. The toughest part was learning how to drink on the run. I ran a couple of halfs without breaks and found them exhilarating (and faster). As my runs got longer I noticed that I really enjoyed not being tied to my watch. Plus, my feet hurt less.

I'll be doing my maiden, non-Galloway marathon in early October. It wouldn't really be fair of me to compare times, because I've added way more mileage and speed workouts to this training cycle.

The jump from taking walk breaks to not taking them was a little intimidating, but it has added a whole new dimension to my running. I have that old excitement back, the desire to improve and race at my potential. I'm even starting to think about BQing, which was unthinkable using Galloway (for me, others have done it).

Cheryl
Click to view robintravers's profile Legend 371 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
6. Aug 3, 2005 7:44 PM in response to: puglogic
Re: rtravers & others who have "evolved" with this stuff
Hi there! I must admit, it kind of freaked me out to see my username on a thread title here...I was worried that someone was mad at me!

You are correct, I was initially using the Galloway program to remain injury free during my marathon training. It is a reasonable and disciplined program...disciplined not only in it's emphasis on slow progression and building a solid base, but also on its emphasis on walk breaks to quell that urge to run harder and faster that many of us have!

And that's why I am still incorporating many aspects of the program! But for the past month, I've been gradually doing more runs without the walk breaks. Honestly--and I almost hate to admit this--I tried my first long run without walk breaks mainly because of all of the haranguing on one of the other threads. I was sort of made to feel like I wasn't a real "runner" if I took walk breaks, and I'm shamefully susceptible to peer pressure!

So, I gave it a try, and I had a WONDERFUL run! So, I re-evaluated how I was using the run/walk program and thought about when I really felt it benefitted me. I'm no exercise physiologist, but I have trained in endurance sports for years and have a good feel for the various aspects of a training program. I have a good feel for when something feels right. And doing my long, steady distance runs without walk breaks just felt right.

I still feel that on some of my intermediate/long runs, it works better for me to walk occasionally. These are runs from 10-14 miles where I am trying to push the pace a wee bit, just testing out the muscles and getting my body used to a faster pace. I still feel like I benefit from walking during these runs.

But my long/long runs (16-20 miles) I've started doing at a slow, steady even pace. I like the smoothness of these runs and the ability to get into a "zone". I feel like I am more efficient during these slow runs. And the creakiness in my knees and ankles hasn't warned me to take it easy!

So, I have been evolving. Perhaps if Jeff Galloway himself were reading this, he'd think I was being overly ambitious and that I could still benefit from walking on my long runs. Mebbe, mebbe not. But I'm also a firm believer in listening to your body and re-evaluating a training program based on your needs, tweaking it if necessary. This seems to feel right and my ability to handle distances and pace seems to be improving.

--Robin
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Nov 6, 2000
7. Aug 3, 2005 9:10 PM in response to: puglogic
Re: rtravers & others who have "evolved" with this stuff
I evolved pretty quickly through walk/running in part because I had been a runner previously before taking a long time off.

I started with just straight walking for 30 minutes. Then I moved to 90 seconds walking and 90 seconds running. Instead of extending the length of the workouts, I just worked on cutting the walk time down. I went to 2 minutes of running and 1 minute of walking for a while. After that I become pretty unstructured, taking 1 minute walking breaks when I felt I needed them. Once I got to 25 minute 5K shape, I dropped the walking breaks completely, but my long runs were only around 30 minutes at that point.

When I dropped the walking breaks I was still 22 months away from my marathon. This gave me the luxury of very gradually increasing the distance I could run without walking. If I had rushed into a marathon in 6 months or something, I would have needed to keep the walk breaks throughout the schedule because I simply couldn't improve my endurance fast enough to be able to actually run the full distance as my long runs stretched out. I chose instead to do a long training schedule designed so I would race a marathon as fast as possible, but of course that isn't for everyone.

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Jun 16, 2005
8. Aug 4, 2005 3:26 PM in response to: puglogic
Re: rtravers & others who have "evolved" with this stuff
quote:<HR>Originally posted by rtravers:
I was initially using the Galloway program to remain injury free during my marathon training. It is a reasonable and disciplined program...disciplined not only in it's emphasis on slow progression and building a solid base, but also on its emphasis on walk breaks to quell that urge to run harder and faster that many of us have! <HR>


This is what I love about this program. At 51 yrs. old, I have made multiple "comebacks" only to end up injured & sidelined for extended periods. I was getting injured because I was still stuck on the "farther, faster" mindset of my 20's & 30's.

Following this program I have learned to slow down & build the base miles I need to get me back on track. I started earlier this year at a couple of miles per run. I'm up tp 10 miles on my long runs now and have only had to deal with a mild case of shin splints when I changed shoes.

I will run my first marathon in December using this method and will decide then if I want to continue using walk breaks on a regular basis in further training.

I want to keep running....if this helps me do it I'm all for it. At my age it seems like each injury took longer & longer to recover from.