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6 Replies Last post: Jul 23, 2006 12:47 PM by 770  
Click to view tdc092's profile Amateur 16 posts since
Dec 26, 2004
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Jul 16, 2006 10:43 PM

Just a little down.

I have been following the schedule found in Jeff's book "Marathon you can do it" I have been running on and off for a little over a year. I am on week 4 of a 26 week program. Today I was supposed to run 8 miles, I usually run 3x1 and started off doing this, you should know I am a very slow runner (if you can still call me that) my average is around 13:30/mile... At the start of my long runs I always tell myself "run slow." Today my 8 mile pace was a wopping 15:00/mile. I started off ok but the heat got to me and had to walk most of the time after the 4th mile. My first 3 miles was at 14:00/mile and I thought that was ok, because of the distance, but I still died after the 3rd mile. Dont know what to do I guess I am disappointed in myself and not really sure of the program. Next week I will start doing my timed runs at 3:15x1 and want to work up to 4x1 before the marathon in December, but not sure if I can even do that. I am male, 40 years old, 190 lbs, at 5'9". And to add injury to insult I have not lost a pound since starting the program. The book says not to diet while you are running. I look at my running log and this time last year I was running 3 miles non stop at a faster pace, and I was not following any type of program. Please help!! any advice???

Thanks....
Click to view paulmitch's profile Legend 308 posts since
Jul 9, 2007
1. Jul 16, 2006 11:06 PM in response to: tdc092
Re: Just a little down.
No problem TDC I have no idea what your eating habits are, but to lose weight (don't laugh) you need to burn more than you take in. It sounds like your runs just aren't doing it for you in burning calories. The pace is not that bad, as long as your comfortable with it. In order to run in the heat you need to get use to the heat. Well you mentioned your marathon is in Dec you still have so much time. For now just get used to running a little in the heat. Try 3 miles at your pace, when you can comfortable run the 3 miles then add a 4th mile. Do this consistently for like 3 weeks. By then you may be ready for a long run of 7 miles. Then slowly increase your long run, one mile after 2 weeks of running.
You will lose the weight from running just trust me. You need to go on a slight diet because you simply will not burn enough calories with this mileage. So cut out the Saturated fats, modify the carbs, eat alot of fruits and vegetables. Only eat when hungry, and try not to snack unless it's fruit. Good luck we are all with you. Remember most people don't even do what you do (running) hang your head high, you'll do whatever you decide to do. I'm sure someone will have more advice.
Click to view Emma Lee's profile Rookie 3 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
3. Jul 17, 2006 7:23 PM in response to: tdc092
Re: Just a little down.
You might consider running in the early morning. It is humid then but not as hot. Good luck.
Click to view lioness1's profile Legend 375 posts since
Apr 1, 2001
4. Jul 19, 2006 7:16 AM in response to: tdc092
Re: Just a little down.
The heat's been totally brutal the last few days. You can't go by what you did in this kind of heat. I used to stress out about running more slowly when it was in the 90s, but I now figure, "get it in, but don't worry about pace. The good stuff will come when the heat calms down." Simply hanging in and doing the training when others are staying home in their air conditioned living rooms watching tv puts you ahead.

Agree w/ the others that you might want to modify your plans a little to cope with heat/humidity. Paul's advice sounds good, and also agree w/ Emma about early morning running when it's hot.

I think the idea about not dieting is more to say don't obsess about diet or go on anything radical. As Paul says, be conscious of eating healthy things--don't skip meals but think of food as fuel, and ask yourself what quality fuel will most help your "engine" to run the smoothest. I have to watch cravings, but I notice I can substitute things and stay satisfied. For instance, I would get hooked on chocolate, but found that the Yoplait chocolate yogurt satisfies my craving w/ fewer calories and some protein. (Yoplait, I'll be waiting for my check, thank you!) Also I eat more fruit and such....

Finally, there's no deadline for running marathons. If you find that your training hasn't progressed to where you want it, you can always adjust your marathon goal, look for a different one. On the one hand, I can understand having the need to do a particular one for various reasons, but also it pays to listen to your body, so you don't get injured by rushing things. Maybe aim for some half marathons at first, then work your way up to a full marathon in another six months to a year. But also, there's certainly time between now and December to work your way up to the full marathon. Just be mindful of how you feel and know when you're ready to move forward vs. when you might need to back off.
Click to view 770's profile Legend 320 posts since
Jul 22, 2006
6. Jul 23, 2006 12:47 PM in response to: tdc092
Re: Just a little down.
Don't knock yourself too much when heat and humidity is as high as it is right now. You may need to revert to running even slower, using more walk breaks (1/1 or 2/3 for example) and/or using treadmills until the weather calms back down.

I remember a Galloway 20 miler in Atlanta 2 or 3 years ago in which several people simply stopped and took the SAG vehicles back to their cars, one took a taxi back and those who finished looked like warmed over death. This was despite starting at 5:30 in the morning with plenty of water and aid stations along the course. No group finished its normal time. I was suffering from leg cramps from a previous run and had bailed out at around mile 4. So I got to watch everyone come in. It is the only time in the 2 years I ran with Galloway that I have ever seen an Atlanta Galloway marathon training run not have the vast majority of runners coming in smiling, even on the final 26 mile training run. It was not a pretty sight. But the group leaders did a very effective job in making sure everyone returned safely to the start whether they finished or not.

That particular training run was really tough and you have to follow the guidelines in "Marathon" concerning heat and humidity. Sometimes you simply have to change your schedule. In the case of the Atlanta groups that day the group leaders slowed down all paces to keep runners together. If you are running by yourself you need to simply be aware of how your body is feeling - if in doubt, walk more often and/or stop. There will be other days to run.