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10 Replies Last post: May 13, 2007 5:23 PM by TCO087  
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Dec 27, 2007 3:44 AM

1 minute walk break or is longer better?

I regularly use walk breaks when I do my runs at many different distances. I try to keep my heart rate between 145 and 165 in all runs. My max heart rate is around 185. If I go much above 165 bpm on a running segment I usually scrap the run/walk ratio I was on for the run and start walking until I drop to 145 bpm then run again until I get up to 165 bpm and repeat until I get my distance in.

Unless I have completely bonked it usually takes right at 1 minute 30 seconds to recover from 165 bpm back down to 145 bpm.

Since this is a pattern I have picked up on, would it be best for me to start using 1:30 min walk breaks or should I stick with the 1 minute walk breaks that are recommended by Galloway?

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1. May 2, 2007 11:36 PM in response to: TCO087
Re: 1 minute walk break or is longer better?
I'll be watching for an answer to this one too as it takes my heart rate over a minute to come down to where it needs to be. Glad you asked the question TCO.
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2. May 3, 2007 1:07 AM in response to: TCO087
Re: 1 minute walk break or is longer better?
145 is 80% of your max heart rate.

165 is 90% of your max heart rate.

This is speed training. Your choice, naturally. But that's very hard running. No wonder it takes your HR 1:30 to come back down. How often are you running this hard? You indicate you're doing it during all your runs. If so, consider that you may be chronically overtrained.

This is just one person's experience, but when I do speedwork and I'm well rested, it takes less than a minute for my heart rate to come down from 90% to 65-70%.

Of course, in training, everything is individual. The key is: how do you feel? Is this kind of running leaving you "pleasantly tired" or flat-out hammered at the end of each run? That really is the crux. If you're pushing your body too hard, you're slowing your progress.

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3. May 4, 2007 12:01 AM in response to: TCO087
Re: 1 minute walk break or is longer better?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by runbei:
145 is 80% of your max heart rate.

165 is 90% of your max heart rate.

This is speed training. Your choice, naturally.

<HR>


Yes, that was my thought, too. Galloway would suggest you slow way down--in fact, that you never go above 145 for your entire run, meaning your heart rate should be in the 120s and 130s for the most part. Most people train long distance at this lower heart rate, even non Galloway walkers. Its up to you, of course.

Are you sure that your maximum hr is 185? The forumulas to estimate max hr can be way off.
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5. May 7, 2007 9:33 PM in response to: TCO087
Re: 1 minute walk break or is longer better?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by TCO:
I don't go the entire distance at 165 bpm. It is just the last 1/2 mile or less that I typically get up to this point. I don't increase my pace, it's just that's where my heartrate ends up.

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Well, that sounds more reasonable. When I run over 16 miles, I can't keep my heart rate under 140, either. So we are in a similar situation. What is your average heart rate? (Most watches will tell this data when you finish.) What is your heart rate for miles 2 and 3?

I used to train at 7 minutes a mile when I was in high school, so I know how slow 12 minutes a mile feels, but I actually slow down to this rate when I do my super long runs. In fact, for my 26 mile training run I slowed down to 13 minutes a mile.

You'd be surprised at how much slowing down just a little bit can help you. My tendency is to run just a bit faster than I should, a practice which is counterproductive. On another note, when I first got my heart rate monitor I had a hard time keeping my rate below 140. Then one day I caught up to a guy doing a run. We ran for about 2 miles and my pace seemed perfectly normal--and yet, my watch didn't beep because I was running slower. I learned I could go slower.

The other thing I would suggest is to take more walk breaks rather than longer ones. That should help you a heck of a lot. What is your run/walk ratio right now?
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7. May 8, 2007 9:11 PM in response to: TCO087
Re: 1 minute walk break or is longer better?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by TCO:
In regards to my current run/walk ratio, I am currently doing run 4:30/walk 1 minute.

My plan is to keep doing 2 mile runs until I can do a 2 mile run without going over 165(I'm going to guess 4 weeks or so. Once I get momentum in my training I get big cardio gains pretty quick up to a point.). Then I'll start rotating in 3 mile walk/runs in with my 2 milers, and then keep building from there.
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In my opinion, you could go longer right now, if you used a ratio of 3:1 or even 2:1. I know 3:1 or 2:1 sounds really wimpy, but if you slowed down and went longer you would really increase your endurance faster than running 2 miles at a somewhat fast pace.

Keep in mind that in high school I used to regularly run 12 miles continuously at a 7 min/mile pace, so that taking walk breaks has made me really have to change my way of thinking. I figured I should be able to at least run 1 mile before having to take a walk break. But I ended up having to do a 6:1 ratio on my short runs and a 3:1 on my super long runs. I want to get fitter, and running 26 miles at 3:1 helps me reach that goal more than running a shorter distance and doing a 7:1 ratio. Of course, that is just me.

Like a lot of runners, I like to run a faster time than I ran before. I know that I have to slow down in my training runs to race faster. I've had tons of experience in going for it in a training run and then having a disappointing race.

If it were me, I would shift the feeling good that you get by going for it to a race. I'd pick a race of any distance and go for it. (If you take walk breaks, you need as little as 1/2 a year to complete a marathon. I just did it.) But that's just me.

By the way, what do you coach?
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9. May 11, 2007 12:17 AM in response to: TCO087
Re: 1 minute walk break or is longer better?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by TCO:



I have a reason I don't want to move on to other distances before being able to run 2 miles without going over 165. In the past I have tried to mix in other distances before I was ready to move up. I ended up being miserable on those runs and ended up having a lot of set backs.

I have a goal race in a year. I want to add distance and run/walk ratios as my body is ready for it. This may be my last big race. I'm a big guy and I have had foot, knee, and hip issues. I don't know how wise it is for me to continue with long distance running long term. I may have to switch to cycling.
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Sorry to hear about your knees. Running can be really tough on the body. Maybe your body will hold out after all.

Good luck on your goal.