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Click to view cewickbe's profile Expert 48 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

Oct 22, 2007 8:44 PM

Question about cold weather gear

So I'm sure this has been answering a million times already, but I just can't seem to find it. This will be my first winter after starting running so I want to be prepared.

I know you are supposed to layer your clothes, and not to use cotten on the inside, but what exactly are the layers? do you start with a tank, then a long sleeve, then like a vest or fleece pullover???? And what about pants? Just tights? or do you put another pair of pants over them? I live in Jersey so its not like it gets below zero degrees or anything, but it still gets pretty darn cold.

My last question - what about socks? dont your shoes get wet from snow? My sneaks are very meshy and aerated. I cant imagine my feet not getting soggy and cold. I always wear cotton socks and havent had a problem so far, but what other kind of socks are there???

Thanks!
Click to view Birdog's profile Pro 116 posts since
Dec 15, 2007
1. Dec 27, 2007 5:05 AM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
The layering is whatever you choose.
I usually start with a long sleeve cool max type shirt. This along with long pants...not heavy.
Cooler....I go to heavy tights. A little over them for modesty. I can unzip the shirt top if needed.
Below zero I go with the tights and then fleece suit. Even then, I often unzip the fleece top different amounts. Might even unzip the tights top.
I also wear a wicking knit cap when this cold. Could go with wool. Will go with a wool scarf around my face (military surplus).
I also have a thin tubular type scarf I use extensively...can even be a head band. Gee...I'm forgetting the name of it right now. I'm looking at it and it doesn't even have the name on it. I also use it for a hat or even to hold that wool scarf on my face. I have two of them. One has two reflective bands on it for night. Amazing what a little piece of cloth can do...especially with wind.

Biggest thing is to avoid sweating while avoiding getting too cold. This can get tricky below zero. Might be doing much adjusting.

I like the wool socks for winter.
I also will go with my trail shoes especially when nasty out. I think you'll find your shoes just wont cut it in the cold.

EDIT....
I really like those running jackets they have. Haven't gotten one in the past due to expense. Might this year? I like the wind stopping. Also look for zippers to open for breathing if needed. That looks great to me. Zippers under the arms on the side. Looks to work excellent in my experience.

EDIT 2....
Geesh.....Don't forget the gloves! I have wool glove liners I use most of the time. Also have heavier. Gee the gloves are very important!

Ron
When being chased by a bear: You don't have to outrun the bear. You just have to outrun the other guy.

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Click to view trifecta082's profile Expert 57 posts since
Nov 6, 2006
2. Oct 23, 2007 9:48 AM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
Everyone responds differently to cold so you're going to need to do some experimenting to figure out what works for you. But in general avoiding overheating is at least as important as staying warm. If you leave the house toasty warm you'll be miserable and sweaty very quickly once you start running. (and sweaty is really bad in the winter because eventually it makes you really cold). If you start out a little too cold you'll be more comfortable when you're running. I think you'll be surprised how little you need to wear to keep running down into the teens or below (which I think should cover you in NJ).

Here's my complete list of winter-specific running gear: hat, gloves, neck gaiter, two zip-neck long sleeve wicking tops, two pairs tights (one light, one heavy), windbreaker with zip front and pits, wool socks. That was enough to keep me running outside all last winter in Boston (OK, except three days on the treadmill when it was raining - I do wet, I do cold, but not wet and cold).

Stuff that you can adjust (with zip necks, fronts, pits) or take on and off and stash in a pocket (hat, gloves, neck gaiter) is really key so you can regulate your temps as you run. Otherwise lots of layers don't really work because you'll end up too hot and have to take stuff off and find somewhere to stash it or have to lug it around.

Since your legs are constantly moving they don't really get cold. Unless it's very windy I can wear a single layer of tights and be fine. I have two pairs with a heavier pair for in the 20s or below. When it's extremely windy and cold I will need to wear both pairs of tights but that's only a couple of times each winter.

Wind's tough because you'll be running both against it and with it and that makes a world of difference. That's where the neck gaiter which you can pull over your face and a windbreaker really help.


Feet are easy. I wear SmartWool socks almost all year anyway but I think as long as you stay away from cotton (remember, sweat is the enemy in winter) that isn't so important. Dry snow doesn't stick to shoes as long as you keep moving. Very deep snow can be a problem so you may have to run in the streets where it's plowed. If you'll be encountering ice you might need either slip-on treads or screw shoes (see the YakTraks thread from a couple of days ago for more info).

Good luck and have fun. Once you're prepared and accustomed winter can be the best time for running. I'd much rather run in the 20's than in the 80's.
Click to view scott3294's profile Expert 59 posts since
Oct 25, 2007
3. Oct 23, 2007 3:59 PM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
You have to define "cold". I have lived my entire life in Savannah Georgia...to me cold is anything below 55. The guys up north are probably laughing since 55 to them is...Summer!
But for running is 55 or cooler when the wind can make it feel cooler, I run in a short sleeve dry max shirt and then a long sleeve Adidas climalite half zip...and long warm up pants.
I really don't change that unless I am running when outside and the temp is in the 40's.
My hat's off to the folks who run shirtless in the 40's. :-) You guys are tough!!



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Click to view Hikerchick8's profile Pro 86 posts since
Jul 2, 2007
4. Oct 23, 2007 4:21 PM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
Yeah, 55 is summer! It's actually 70 today (near Seattle, WA) and beautiful out. It drops to the 40s at night though.

I ran last night and it was a balmy 55. I wore a tank top with my running windbreaker over that (the whole thing is flourescent yellow - looks like I'm glowing!). I was plenty warm.

I have similar shoes - all meshy and well ventilated. I'm just going to wear my wool hiking socks. I don't run far enough for that to make much of a difference -- although those hiking socks I've worn on very long mileage days (12+ miles) with no problems so I don't think I'll have issues running. We'll see...

I also have a scarf I bring - dual purpose, either over my ears, or just tied around my neck to keep me warm. And gloves.

As for a shirt, I am a warm runner, but haven't run when it's below freezing. I'm just going to wear a long-sleeved polypro shirt that I wear hiking, and my windbreaker over that, and see how it goes.
Click to view mrinertia's profile Legend 1,356 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
5. Oct 23, 2007 4:22 PM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
Like previous posters said, there's some experimentation when you're trying to find out what makes you comfortable in what temps.

Last year I ran in single digit temps with the following:

2 pairs of sox
shoes
under armor tights
heavy sweat pants
long sleeve tech shirt
heavy sweat shirt
ski vest
gloves
full face mask

and was surprisingly comfortable.
Click to view NYLarry's profile Amateur 9 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
6. Oct 23, 2007 4:26 PM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
I live in NY (Westchester), when It gets below freezing, I start with
- heavy running tights
- a patagonia merino wool zip top (wicks like a charm)
- thorlo sox
- super light weight fleece vest
- a lightweight fleece windbreaker
- fleece hat
- polypropelene gloves

The vest and jacket can zip up or down depending on how hot I get.

I have a pair of heavy fleece liner pants that I can add if it gets below 20 degrees. I've never had stay in because of the cold, I have had to chip the ice off of my collar when I got home a few times...
Click to view EyeKing's profile Amateur 10 posts since
May 19, 2007
8. Nov 7, 2007 6:24 PM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
Face wise...I would try BUFFs from PlanetBuff.com. They work great and are very versatile. If you never have seen this item, you have to check it out. I bought mine at the Arizona Rock n Roll M in January It was super cold and the BUFF saved me.

Its my favorite piece of gear!

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Click to view brianinptown's profile Legend 254 posts since
Nov 17, 2006
9. Nov 9, 2007 12:35 AM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
eyeking your posts are getting old...why don't you just tell us you work for buffworld or whatever you call it...you're not fooling anyone.
Click to view MGinNYC's profile Legend 198 posts since
Jan 18, 2005
10. Dec 27, 2007 5:05 AM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
quote:<HR>Originally posted by brianinptown:
eyeking your posts are getting old...why don't you just tell us you work for buffworld or whatever you call it...you're not fooling anyone.[/B]<HR>


Deleted - I think I was a bit rude.


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Click to view EyeKing's profile Amateur 10 posts since
May 19, 2007
11. Nov 11, 2007 10:29 AM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
I am just a geek...a BUFF geek at that. I just love those things. Wished I worked for them, I'd be rich. Will stop sharing my enthusiasm, I get like that with things I enjoy.

Gotta run...EK
Click to view techgirl321's profile Pro 87 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
12. Nov 13, 2007 2:57 PM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
I ordered two of them last week. I'll let you know if they are all that EK says they are. I'll be totally objective. I expect to have them before my Saturday long run.


Jess
Click to view aerialist's profile Amateur 37 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
13. Nov 13, 2007 3:59 PM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
Chiming in on winter preferences.... In DC it's been in the 40s and 50s and here's what worked:

40s-50s with light winds: long sleeved tech shirt, knee-length capri pants, and my Asics windbreaker jacket, with cheapo fleece gloves (more for snot-wiping than warmth) and a fleece hat. I start out chilly, but get back warm and sweaty.

30s-40s with light winds: this was my 10k race on Sunday and I wore pretty much the same as above, except with a longer tank-style sports bra under the tech shirt. My shins got cold for the first 2 miles but everything warmed up after that.

I like to be warm and never minded running in 90 degree heat, so the hat and gloves are a must even if it's in the low 50s. Nice thing about the jacket is that it vents and the pocket zippers let in a bit of breeze if/when one needs it.

Jacket is also waterproof, a major boon on the windy/wet days spent along the river.
Click to view MGinNYC's profile Legend 198 posts since
Jan 18, 2005
14. Nov 14, 2007 10:31 AM in response to: cewickbe
Re: Question about cold weather gear
Everybody has their own system that they swear by, so feel free to experiment.

For example, it?s been 40-50 here in NYC for the last couple of weeks. Between 35-45 degrees, I wear mid-weight tights and a half-zip next to my skin, a long-sleeved cotton t-shirt over that (I may get flamed for this, but I like cotton as an insulating layer), and a shell-type vest. Plus hat & headband and gloves.

Between about 25-35 degrees, I substitute a sweatshirt for the t-shirt, and sometimes another shirt under it if it?s very windy.

Under 25 degrees, I wear adidas-type pants over the tights, and I like to use a Buff as a neck gaiter, which I can pull over my mouth and nose if necessary.

And that?s my system.
MG