Anyway - after I did that my logon issues on forefox were resovled

In this thread do y'all just post how your runs are going? As you guys and gals are traing for a HM are you trying to become faster or just complete the race? I find that when I'm out running I'm always trying to beat my last time, which isn't conducive to seeing how far I can go. For instance as I stated before I wanted to run 6 miles today but only went 5. I found myself during todays run pushing myself so that I could beat my last 5 mile time. I figured I'd just run the 6th and last mile very easy, but my legs were toast. Speaking of which, it seems like when I run long runs, at the end I'm not breathing really hard or out of breath, but my legs are really tired. Is that standard? I figure weight has something to do with it. I've lost 50 lbs but I'm still at 230 lbs, 5'11". Should I expect the tired legs at thag weight?

Thanks again,

Glue

Go ILLINI!!!

One point about checking out a book -- and I suggest Daniels -- is to understand why you do a workout. A "long run" should be at a pretty relaxed pace. It's the speedwork that requires more. In either case, the pace depends on your current condition. If you can run an HM in 2:00, your pace for each type of workout would be one thing (the books and the internet have charts; this Daniels-based site has long runs at a 10:34 pace and tempos at 8:50) and if it's 1:45 they're different paces (9:21 and 7:50). So don't try to best your time each time you go out, hoping to gradually improve. Build up the miles by taking them easy. It's a process.

chuck - three pairs is the ticket.
I agree with your training schedule and not to worry about speed during
your base training. You have excellent advice.

Jp - you have great advice as well.

sheila - DW and I are going to decide which spring HM before the end of the year. If she runs then I will stay with her and not worry about my
time. I want her to enjoy it. I will then schedule another one right
after. The shuffle is great especially in the warmer weather as you
won't need an armband.

gluemanchu - welcome and yes your wife is
a fast runner. I'm using a modified Hal schedule with a higher base
mileage. The podcasts will work on any mp3. Get the Steve Runner
podcast 126 which goes though one runners explaination on why the base mileage is important.

spicegeek - great workout!!!!

take care all, tomorrow we will see what the weather brings and as always modify my mileage based on it.

Now I should go watch the Giants-Patriots game... I'm a Jets fun, but considering how the Jets played this year, I should root for the other NJ team which has NY in its name. Plus, most Americans who are not descendants of the Mayflower pilgrims should be Giants fans tonight.

Just noticed... speaking of stars, I have three words for you: I AM LEGEND

JP, regarding carrying the gels in a race, why worry about pins and tape, when you can carry them in your pockets?

Joe, the gyms here will be crowded for about 2-3 months, and then immediately we'll have a new crowd, the single guys and girls who are getting ready for beach season.. we're near the shore, so that's a big factor.

Wendy, careful with the Wii boxing... first time I played it, my back and shoulders were sore for 2 days.

Gluemanchu, welcome. I used Hal Higdon's plan for my first HMs and worked out fine. I love them, I used his for my marathons as well. Long runs should be done at a comfortable pace, so you should never be out of breath. As for the legs... the entire plan is to get them used to the distance, every time you extend the distance they'll be very tired and soon, as you move to longer distances they'll get more used to it. I remember the first time I ran 13 miles, I was exhausted... but then I ran 14 and 15, so at the first HM I didn't have issues with my legs.

Chuck, the regular thread started about when I was training for my first HM, which should be around the summer of 2005.

Runjr, I try not to hit the wall on training runs. On longer runs, I take a Gu every 40-45 minutes.

Kevee- As to when to "get that boost", the gel, and others recommend taking a supplement 45 minutes into a run, and every 45 minutes after that. I believe it has to do with how long it would take to need further nutrition. Hope this helps you in time for tomorrow. I hope to get 10 in tomorrow morning myself early enough to enjoy the 65 degree early morning temps.

chris - impressive stats. Thanks for the gu tip. I'm feeling tired around the 9 mile range and looking for a boost at that point. I have never taken anything before but now I will begin as I getting to that HM distance for my long training run.

mara40thon - I like this screen name better. Thanks for the gel info. good luck on the 10 tomorrow.

Joe - Great weather At least for Wisconsin. Nice run today. I think the shot blox sound easier.

take care all and keep pushing!

Otherwise I agree with what you say, especially listening to the body and giving it time to recover.