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9 Replies Last post: Feb 1, 2008 2:26 PM by Toolchick101  
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Jan 30, 2008 9:24 PM

I need some help please


I've tried many times to begin a running regime. The issue I'm having is I'm a former smoker, and I can't run for more than 1/4th a mile before my lungs completely give out. I managed to get it up to a mile, but when I stopped for a few months, I'm now lower than 1/4 of a mile!

What I did before was walk quickly to wam up (after stretches), then I would jog for about 3 minutes, then I'd walk again. I did this for a few weeks, then switch to running for a few minutes, then when I walked, I walked faster. The thing is, it took months of doing this twice a day for an hour to be able to do even get to a mile. And by the end of training I could only run or jog for about a minute before I couldn't control my breathing any longer.

So my question is, how do I train my lungs to be able to do cardio? I'm a 22/F so I'm still young. I have noheart problems, breathing problems (as far as asthma or anything like that) and have been cleared to do intense cardio. The only thing is--my lungs can't keep up with my muscles. I do strength training, so I know I have the muscles to run far. What can I do to get there?


Thanks so much for your input.

Click to view mousking1's profile Amateur 10 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Jan 31, 2008 2:02 AM in response to: Toolchick101
Re: I need some help please

well get ready to hurt is the first thing. go out buy yourself a heart rate monitor, i use a sigmasport pc9, and it works, but there are a lot of options (i would suggest looking at http://www.performancebike.com/index.cfm it is a bike site, but they have great prices) once you have a heart rate monitor and just keep going for 30 minutes keeping your heart rate at 60%-70% of you maximal heart rate, even if you end up barely moving to keep it below 70%. that is the range to work on your cardio. also remember for every week you don't run you lose 2 weeks of progress, or you can think about it as it takes two weeks to make up for one week off.

i'm going to try to find your other post to put this in too.

Click to view andyndallas's profile Amateur 13 posts since
Jan 6, 2008
2. Jan 31, 2008 6:08 AM in response to: Toolchick101
Re: I need some help please
Hopefully, you have totally stopped smoking.......any smoking. It is also not a good idea to stretch before warming up. From your post it looks like that is what you are doing. Do your warm up, then stretch a little. I usually stretch after I run. You never want to stretch a cold muscle. As for the air in your lungs- Do what feels good. Run til you need to walk, then walk. Once you catch your breath, run some more. The heart rate monitor is a great idea for you. It will keep you from going too fast til you are ready. Every time I try to start back running, I try to do too much too fast. This time I am trying to take it slow. You are in it for the long haul, not the quick fix. Go slow, it will pay off down the road.
Click to view Nobby063's profile Legend 630 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
3. Jan 31, 2008 7:16 AM in response to: Toolchick101
Re: I need some help please
I don't know what kind of running regime you have tried previously but, obviously, stopping a few month is not a good idea! ;o) Being a former smoker probably doesn't have much to do with is as many might think; sure it would probably make it wee bit harder in the beginning but, as long as you have stopped it completely (hopefully), you are just at the same starting line as anybody else. I've seen people starting to run with only one lung (technically, there are 5 sacks and I think she had removed 2 of them) due to lung cancer and ended up completing a marathon in under 5 hours. Lungs are one of the most efficient organs in our body; it actually take in something like 5 times oxygen than the body can actually use! In other words, you are probably getting plenty of oxygen into your lungs. The problem is circulation of oxygen and utilization. Weezing, or heavy breathing, is actually the feedback of your musculs. Your working muscles, mainly your legs, are not toned enough to utilize enough oxygen required to complete the task (in your case, running 1/4 mile or a mile or whatever at such-and-such pace); that is your problem.


Some people might even insinuate oxygen has got nothing to do with performance and power is all you need. However, having done some strength training has very little to do with your endurance (might help some, but not much). We have what we call capillaries surrounding our muscles. These are network of tiny blood vessels around your muscles and this is where working muscles get oxygen and nutrients. By doing more exercise you do, your body would send a message to retain more oxygen and you develop vast network of these capillaries. Along the way, as you already know, your heart will become stronger and starts to pump more blood per minute. Your blood tone will also improve, enabling you to carry more oxygen to where it's needed. The redness of your blood is due to hemoglobin, a tiny iron compound, that carries oxygen. This is why, if you're anemic, low in iron, it would be hard to carry on physical tasks--you'll get tired easily. Now as you continue to exercise, you'll get better blood tone, your heart becomes bigger and stronger to send all those hemoglobin, carrying oxygen, to the working muscles, and, with good network of capillaries, muscles will use more oxygen efficiently; so now you can complete the task more efficiently.

When you do strength training, your muscle fibers increase its size (=to become stronger). But that does very little to develop capillaries. So in other words, now you have these bigger muscles with the same capillaries; the actual fact is, you're getting less oxygen to your working muscles! So this could actually defeat the purpose--there might be a time strength training CAN help; but not innitially. This is also a reason, in a way, why losing weight can help you run further and faster--you're using up more oxygen per kilogram, or pound, of your body weight.

In the beginning, it might pay to do interval of jogging and walking. Any kind of publicized beginner's program, something like C25K, should be good. Your initial goal should be to continue the exercise for 15 minutes. So you can set out to walk 3 minutes and jog 2 minutes and repeat that for 3 times; there's your 15 minutes...something like that. Some literature might suggest doing some cross training, but let's stick to running for now. Your goal should be to do this at least 3 times a week. One of the Golden Rules should be; do little often than do too much once and hang it up for some time. You need to do what you can, regardless of how little it may be, and keep doing it.

Once you feel comfortable with this regime, do it more frequently instead of lengthening it or making it harder. In your case, without knowing much about you, I think it is important to do it more often. Maybe shoot for doing this 5 days a week...something like that. Don't take 2 months break from one workout to the next! ;o) Keep on keeping on. Do little often than skip many days in between.

After awhile, 3 minutes walk--2 minutes jog regime will be too easy for you. Start lengthening your jogging segment. Start out with now 2 minutes walk and 3 minutes jog; then 1 minutes walk and 4 minutes jog... Walking breaks have its place but let's try to do a continuous jogging first. Your next goal should be to jog for 15 minutes without stopping. Once you reach this level, and, believe me, as long as you keep at it and don't push yourself too hard (in other words, don't do anything stupid!), you'll be amazed how quickly you improve. No other activity can show you such dramatic improvement so quickly. Trust me; keep at it, keep within your limitations (don't push it too hard), and keep doing it little by little; you'll see a big leap very very quickly.

Once you make it to 15 minutes, every third day or thereabout, go a little bit further; like 20 minutes, then 30 minutes; then 40... But always go back to 15 for recovery. Take some walking breaks if necessary (when going far); but try to stay on your feet for a long period of time. Once you get this far; you're on your way for whatever you might have dreamed of doing (running wise, that is). Big M or A little big HM??? ;o)

Just a small anecdote; this is exactly how Arthur Lydiard explained and instructed the first ever organized jogging group in Auckland, New Zealand, back in 1961. He had a group of 20 people, the youngest was 50 and the oldest was 74. Previously, they ALL had had at least one heart attack. None of them, in the beginning, could run 200m (a half a lap around the local track) without stopping. By doing what I've just explained, ALL of them, after 8 months, were running 20 miles without stopping and 8 of them completed the marathon. It is all possible and it is all real!

Good luck; keep at it, and happy running! ;o)

PS: I really HATE this format! Whoever comes up with this program SUCKS! I can't believe nobody has complained (I guess me included), or if we did, nobody has done anything about it... This is a typical case of, "We have a problem, but we're not going to do anythnig about it..."

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Dec 14, 2007
4. Jan 31, 2008 12:43 PM in response to: Nobby063
Re: I need some help please

Nobby!!!!

Glad to see you stuck around ...for now...after you told Richard off I thought you were gone. I really appreciate the response you gave to the poster. I am sure you are aware but I want to remind you how much your contribution to message boards like this assist people. I should tell you thanks also for the many times you have help me.

To the poster

Just as a real world example. At my local running room (These are popular running stores in Canada) there is a gentleman I cannot remember his age but he is upwards of 40. He use to smoke something like three or four packs a day had three heart attack weighed over 300lbs. He joined the running room where run walking is the method used to train newbies. He lost all the extra weight ran many marathons and is now a ultra marathon runner. I cannot mention all the other health benefits he has realized since. He is a local poster boy for the business. Just wanted to let you know the possibilites. I think all you need to do is read Nobby's post buy yourself of few pair of ceap running shoes and get going.

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Dec 14, 2007
5. Jan 31, 2008 2:55 PM in response to: Ewart_Harris
Re: I need some help please

Ewart Harris wrote:
Nobby!!!!

Glad to see you stuck around ...for now...after you told Richard off I thought you were gone. I really appreciate the response you gave to the poster. I am sure you are aware but I want to remind you how much your contribution to message boards like this assist people. I should tell you thanks also for the many times you have help me.


Ewart (isn't this the name of those little hairy guys in Star Wars? ;o)):

Yeah, wasn't going to. But couldn't just pass that title (Need Some Help). Then it says 22-year-old lady! Gotta help out a young lady! I always tell my 15-year-old daughter that, if we see a broken-down car on freeway and if it's a lady, you've GOT to stop and help her! If it's a guy, you're going to let them figure out to help himself... ;o) Certainly done with Richard though. So you did see my long farewell note to Dick, huh? ;o) Something else, isn't he? ;o)

Forgot to add also; Bill Rodgers used to smoke. Pricilla Weltch, the only master's runner to ever have won the open division of the New York City marathon, was a pack-a-day cigarette smoker before she took up running in her 30s (I think...).

Click to view milkbaby9's profile Expert 45 posts since
Jun 26, 2006
6. Jan 31, 2008 4:44 PM in response to: Toolchick101
Re: I need some help please

Click on the link below to find the Coolrunning Couch-to-5k plan (often abbreviated C25K):

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml

Then check in with the "Newbie Cafe" discussion board for plenty of help and support!

When I started running, I had no idea how to just start doing it. I was just too stupid and stubborn and would just run every day, slowly running more and more until I could do 5 miles in a row. BUT, that was the DUMB way of doing it! The C25K plan is the SMART way to train your body for running! Read the article about how to do the workouts and follow the training schedule but not necessarily religiously. Many people do not improve as fast as the plan ramps up, so don't hesitate to backtrack and repeat a workout or a week's worth of workouts if you are not up to the level of the next week's workouts.

Nobby had a great post about "training your lungs" which in effect says you don't need to train your lungs because it's the rest of your body that needs the training. When you jog, the slower you jog, the longer you can do it. So to start out you should go slow enough to complete the entire time you want to be jogging. Oftentimes people suggest the "talk test". What that means is that when you are running/jogging do it at an easy enough pace that you can talk to somebody. If you can't, then you are going too fast and will often have to stop running before you run the time or distance you wanted to cover. It might force you to move at a very slow rate at first, but as you condition your body, you will find that it gets easier.

The other important point is that your running fitness is like a boat with a hole in the hull. You might be above water, but you have to keep bailing the water out of the boat or it will sink. Maybe you bailed enough water out that you were sailing comfortably, but as soon as you stop bailing out water, your boat will eventually sink again. You can only keep your fitness by remembering to regularly bail out the water, so if you want to get running fit, then you want to consistently run without long months or weeks inbetween with no running. Good luck, you can do it!

Click to view Ewart_Harris's profile Legend 324 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
7. Feb 1, 2008 7:44 AM in response to: milkbaby9
Re: I need some help please

Darn Milkbaby!

I think I have complimented you on your writing before! The boat with a hole in the hull is the best discription of maintaining running fitness I have read. That was a really good one.

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Dec 14, 2007
8. Feb 1, 2008 8:30 AM in response to: Nobby063
Re: I need some help please
Nobby!!

I have gotten so much Nickname growing up with that first name it is not funny. Apparently, it is a common name in Ireland and I think in Scotland. Long story about how I got it. Thanks for the tip on how to get your attention. I shall make it known that all posters needing Nobby's attention shall make there subject line so that it sounds like a damsel in distress. :)

Regarding Dick.. well he is like that stray dog or cat you cannot shew away.