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parkerand susan Legend 358 posts since
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1,140. Feb 7, 2008 6:27 AM in response to: lahrunner
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

 

Ok lahrunner lets clarify...I have run 100,001 races...I have a second job just to pay for running shoes...I can outrun RK in full battle dress dragging a Toyotta on a tether behind me...I do 84 mile training runs on Mondays..that's my short day..in ultra races with sgray I circle back at the 30 mile mark and carry him on my back the last 20 miles..I line up at the back of a large start in New England so I can kick Maryt in the ankle as I blow by her and give NH the finger while shaking my dangerous Ipod cord...I draft cars on the New England interstate and all the while maintain a righteous Stupor......I am Parker HEAR ME ROAR!!!

 

 

Sorry..that was uncalled for..when Anti ipoders write that's what I hear in my head..I know..that explains a lot of my postings ..sorry

 

 

In fact lately, I 'm a long biker and a short runner..my longest run in the last 6 months is a 12k @ 8:11 avg...one poster said if your not running a 7min mile your jogging..so with that formula I 'm running the first 2miles of a 5k and jogging the 3rd..I can live with that...I admire distance runners.. although not enough to meet them for 26.2..my 50tyish knees will not take the pounding..and neither will my ego...20 miles is killer in my book lahrunner..but more important..you push the limits of your body and your mind on a regular basis...that is ultimately all that counts..we dont pay the bills with our running proceeds..and neither do the "faster than you" posters..have'nt read any Kenyan posts yet and therefore it's a hobby for us all..it's not a messianic mission...it requires perspective..and I try to keep it that way...

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Silvio Community Moderator 1,776 posts since
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1,141. Feb 7, 2008 6:29 AM in response to: sgray
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing
sgray wrote:

Actually, the funny part about it is, these "elitists" are no faster than you or I.  They are just self appointed gate keepers of all that is right in the world of running.  2:20 Marathon?  I don't think so.

Even funnier is that the few actual elites I have met aren't elitists at all.  At my last race I did a cool down with the winner (who happened to have run the marathon anchor leg for the masters division winning team at an international Iron Man relay event in California) and he was WAY more excited that his 10 or 11 year old son had just run a 5K pr than he was about winning the race.  I imagine that most of the elites are runners because they have a real passion for it and aren't all that concerned about what the "rebel rousers" have in their ears.

lahrunner Pro 103 posts since
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1,142. Feb 7, 2008 6:39 AM in response to: parkerand susan
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

Aw shucks, parker, once again, you made me laugh out loud, but I also got a little verklempt reading your post.  Thanks for reminding me that I am a runner and an athlete (my mantra that didn't help much on Saturday!) and haven't been a jogger since the 70s.    And glad to read I'm not the only middle aged sage of Team EyePod!

NHSenior Legend 386 posts since
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1,143. Feb 7, 2008 7:02 AM in response to: parkerand susan
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

<<<<Another NH Statistic..95%..is that part of a research project scientists or statististions completed that you could enlighten us as to it's whereabouts?

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, I'll point you there, but you will have to get off your a$$ and do your own research. Where do guys get this entitlement that stuff should be handed to you.?

 

 

If you are the responsible, sane and "I can take care of myself" person that you profess to be, you should welcome not having me or RDs holding your hands. Hmmmm?

 

 

There are tons of race promotions on the coolrunning sites, this Active.com site, and thousand of race results which have links to the races and timing companies where you could quickly check the following.

 

 

That marathons and jogathons are not the majority of road races out there, but in fact are a VERY small minority

 

 

 

That most races are NOT on closed course, and I think you will find that MOST race do not even have a police presense other than at start the race where the start may be closed but only for a short distance until the pack thins out and stays to one side of the road. Many times the side isn't even coned off.

 

 

There are almost 100 regional road race magazine to research this in and tons of regional road race websites. All have results, pictures, promotions and links.

 

 

The Running network has about 30 publications

 

 

http://www.runningnetwork.com (see the dropdown list at the top for the pub names and site links)

 

 

Get off your A$$, learn what you really don't know so you can become a responsible member of the sport you don't care about other than for your own pleasure.

parkerand susan Legend 358 posts since
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1,144. Feb 7, 2008 7:21 AM in response to: WayneD
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

Wayned and Sunburst Marathon

 

 

               OMG!! the whinning and complaining of Runners in this race..I didn't Know!! read some of these observations of the marathon and tell me this isn't the height of silliness... the course had cones(duh?)..and cars (note Maryt) ..and it was hot in June..(can't those RD's make it cool) somebody ate my food..I wanted a popsicle!.. it didn't go through tourist spots..not enough spectators..too many runners on the course....no sprinklers every mile..it didn't start at a time I could run with my hubby..OMG!!! what is up with these whinny people...Maybe this is why elite runners shun other runners..I don't blame them in this case..... But I will note: despite every aspect of running dissed and complained about...not one...not one...Maryt complaint of ipod use...a whole race of whinners and not one incident mentioned...go figure.....

 

 

               <<Sunburst has dropped its standards. We had to fight through crossing paths of walkers and cars throughout the race. A pathetic effort to call this a marathon! If they don't really want the real runners to come, they are going about it the right way!

 

               


               

I was a little disappointed about running around cones and sad that we didn't run through the beautiful campus of Notre Dame. They pump in music from the band and you finish right there in the middle of the football field... on the 50. -


               

The worst course I've ever run on... at any competitive level, including my high school and college days. Running around orange cones to burn up distance???? Honestly... that's ridiculous. This is a marathon, not a silly training exercise. In a few instances there were even cars ON the course. Nothing like sucking in fumes while trying to make moves. Poorly managed and poorly conceived in every way. -


               

Be prepared for a hot day. I have run a race at the event every year for the past 11 years and it has been hot every time. This past year was my first marathon; be ready for little fan support, a rat maze for a course, and a memorable finish in Notre Dame stadium. You have to expect hot weather in June... just come prepared for it. All in all, though, it's a great event and well run. -


               

I am a pretty easy going person... not hard to please. However, the town seemed very inconvenienced by having a marathon going on. There were very few spectators. The course was not enjoyable. We ran to the end of on parking lot and ran around a construction cone, then to the end of another parking lot just to run around another cone. It was also very hot. I do not recommend this marathon to anyone. Even at the end, the marathon organizers ran out of almost everything. The 5K racers ate almost all the food. -


               

We loved it but wish there could be a five o'clock early start, marathon at five thirty, etc. I liked having a race to run while my husband did the 26.2. -


               

I liked most things about this marathon. The organizers plan for, or at least alert you to, most of what to expect. Things were well explained and marked. The start parking was a breeze, but I did have about a 25-minute wait for the post-race shuttle. A friend even got an age-group award (which run 5-deep) of a free Brightroom 5x7 photo. Post-race food and drink was fine, and on a hot day I was glad there weren't heavy foods and there were popsicles and cold towels. About the last mile-and-a-half got crowded, as we joined the midpack of the half-marathoners and some of the 5K Fun Walk participants (the only race in which strollers were allowed). That mass made it slightly tougher to keep my pace and focus. "RH from Northern Kentucky" shouldn't feel so victimized, as he seemed to come across in his review. There WERE walkers and slower runners from shorter races thickening the last part of the marathon course, and that aspect of the marathon experience should be noted. -


               

The course was laid out well, and I guess that for the most part there were other runners around me as I ran, but I never got lost along the way. It seemed as though there were volunteers holding signs whenever you needed to turn, so I'm not sure where the confusion came in for other runners that have commented on this race.                There were plenty of aid stations, although it seemed like they were spaced out a little too much in some spots.                As others have said, there weren't very many people out cheering on the runners, but those who did come out to cheer did a great job encouraging people. Also, several people had their sprinklers on, but they were mostly in the first half of the race; by about mile 20 I was dying and hoping that there would be a sprinkler to cool me down.                The post-race food was adequate, but it seemed like they ran out of some items by the time I managed to drag my butt across the finish line. I really wanted a popsicle. The cold towels at the finish were great, especially since the weather was so hot and humid.                This was my first marathon, and the heat and humidity really took their toll in the second half of the race, but overall I would recommend this race to anyone looking to run a smaller race. >>

parkerand susan Legend 358 posts since
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1,145. Feb 7, 2008 7:50 AM in response to: NHSenior
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

 

NH you really are making a complete fool of your lazy self...and believe me you already accomplished that way back ...

 

 

NH here's my answer to your bar room posit..statistically Ipod use has been found to increase awareness, cure recurring joint pain, put gloss in your hair, and improve your sex life....now MR.Tough Talking Bossy Butt....You  lift off your wrinkled fanny and find me some article that disproves those claims.. get back to me....I'll wait.......in case you can't try this...pluto is not really a planet..it's a dog..do the research... prove me wrong...that's how ridiculous it is to make up crap and tell people to prove it wrong..you are sliding into dementia head first....

 

 

If your conceeding that 95% point..then go back and read your posts..they are absoulutely chock a block full of the same seat of the pants guesstimates and "making up stuff up as I go" untruths and distortions you are now famous for...perhaps you should concede those too while your at it....I'll wait'..do the pluto thing first ..it takes a way long time to slog through your past posts....

 

 

Note to Nh: I really really really don't want you holding my hand..trust me on that...have you and Maryt called it quits? get a dog..

 

 

Learn what you really don't know is redundant....

 

 

I am a hated pleasure seeker I confess NH....I promise to try to be more like you and avoid pleasure at all costs...No pleasure for You!! You will run without pleasure or you will be thrown in the cooler.

 

 

 

 

 

RKHII83 Pro 166 posts since
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1,146. Feb 7, 2008 8:06 AM in response to: parkerand susan
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

 

Parker -

 

Go get 'em.

 

This question is for the Wicked Witch of NH.  It is quite simple and doesn't require a meandering tome.

 

 

Can you provide a link (or links) to the web site (or sites) that have statistics to back up your claims that the rate of inuries in races is rising because of runners wearing ipods?

 

 

Your answer should be simple.  Hint, it starts with "www." or "http://"

 

 

We don't need a dissertation on some tenuous insurance , mumbo-jumbo hoobah-habah.  Just facts.

 

 

Here is a link to Wikipedia for the definition of 'fact'

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

 

 

Generally, a fact is defined as something that is the case, something that actually exists, or something that can be verified according to an established standard of evaluation.  There is a range of other uses, depending on the context. People are interested in facts because of their relation to truth.

 

 

RKHII83 Pro 166 posts since
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1,147. Feb 7, 2008 8:13 AM in response to: lahrunner
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

 

lahrunner -

 

Morning. Got a clean bill of health from the doc and I just got back from race 100,002. This one was a challenge because the RD made us put a 4 inch vertical cut in our hamstrings with a rusty knife and tied a pot roast to our backs. They blindfolded us and then they let hungry cougars loose at the start of the race.  We could use our ipods but we had to listen to Barbara Streisand.

 

 

I would kill for the opportunity to "fail" at mile 20 of a planned 23.  I don't think I could get 2.0 out of 2.3 right now.

 

 

parkerand susan Legend 358 posts since
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1,148. Feb 7, 2008 8:17 AM in response to: RKHII83
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

 

Ok Rk ....if you're going to be all uppity smart and to the point in correcting NH, what the hades am I going to do?..put Jay back to sleep every 3 pages of posts?

 

 

That is just way NOT fair..he's my crabby eccentric..you go find you own!!

 

 

Jay Silvio Community Moderator 1,776 posts since
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1,149. Feb 7, 2008 8:18 AM in response to: NHSenior
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing
NHSenior wrote:

 

That marathons and jogathons are not the majority of road races out there, but in fact are a VERY small minority

But in terms of participation, it takes a great number of these smaller 25-500 runner races to equal the large 10,000+ runner events.  And clearly the number of marathons is growing.  Also, where I live most of the races that are run on the roads at least cone off part of the lane and shoulder for runners and a good number of  the races are cross-country style.

RKHII83 Pro 166 posts since
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1,150. Feb 7, 2008 8:20 AM in response to: parkerand susan
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

parker -

 

Okay Maverick, I'm off.  On the count of three, I'll break right, you engage and take the shot.

 

You are still dangerous...............but you can be my wingman anyday.

parkerand susan Legend 358 posts since
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1,151. Feb 7, 2008 8:28 AM in response to: RKHII83
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

 

That Hamstring and the cougars sounds like a typical New England  Race..where there dead people?

 

 

OMG! the thought of  20 miles of Streisand.."People..people seeing dead people..are the luckiest people"....

 

 

that's Guantanomo all over..the only person who could take that kind of torture is NH...Bad Nh you Streisand pleasure seeker you!!

 

 

RKHII83 Pro 166 posts since
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1,152. Feb 7, 2008 8:29 AM in response to: Jay Silvio
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

Jay -

 

If you are going to cite facts and statistics you are not allowed to make sense. You must selectively apply data to support your foregone conclusion.  Be careful in posting objectively - certain folks on this thread have trouble in the world the rest of us live in when faced with incontrovertible fact.

 

I kid. But you are on the mark.  The Virginia Beach Rock and Roll Half "Jog-A-Thon for Pansies who have fewer than 850 races under your belt" draws close to 22,000 participants every year.  Seems to me the issue comes down to the number of participants and how the kooky ipoders are out running amok and causing bodily harm to others, themselves, newts and other small amphibians because of their "stupor".

NHSenior Legend 386 posts since
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1,153. Feb 7, 2008 9:20 AM in response to: parkerand susan
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

There is a method to my madness in asking you all to make as much noise about this as possible because the more you display that you only care about yourself the sooner the RDs aren't going to care about you, and when the insurance companies make the races the offer they can't refuse (which they will do), the RDs will turn on you so fast your head will spin.

 

 

 

 

 

There will be the jogathons on closed course that you may be able to go to and then most of the rest will have declared you persona non-grata. You see the insurance companies don't have to supply you will any data and they don't have to supply races with any data. They call the tune on the existance of road races. They don't have to worry about publicity and they don't make coverage decisions on political correctness. If the insurance company says "jump" the races effectively say 'how high?".

 

 

Sadly, before this ends some stupid races will run afoul of the insurance companies because they let themselves get scared by some of the runners. Lots of race have gone out of existance because of bad judgement on their priorities and attendance is not the top priority.

 

 

But to keep you distracted here is some stuff to chew on. You do know how to chew, don't you.

 

 

Runner demographics

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/3/3_1/2007-state-of-the-sport-p.shtml

 

 

the Running Industry

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/3/state-of-sport-part-i-the.shtml

 

 

American Road Race Numbers

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/3/3_1/2007-state-of-the-sport-p-2.shtml

 

 

There probably is no written statistic about the actual percentage of closed races course, but if you find your self in a group of RD's other than Marathons you can quickly ask and see that 95% is probably very close to accurate. I say "other than marathon" because as a percentage of those that know what is going on, the marathon RDs are a diddle small percentage.

 

 

BTW, marathon and jogathon runners account for only 4.8% of those finishing races.

 

 

and, marathon and jogathons account for ONLY 2.7% of the races in 2006. The 2007 numbers are yet to be released. That percentage won't change much because it takes years to plan and start new marathons.

 

 

Marathon do not rule the sport. They don't even come to the percentage of ice above the surface in an iceberg. Informed people in the sport know that without having to be spoon fed statistic. It's obvious to those who just look around beyond their own agenda driven nose.

parkerand susan Legend 358 posts since
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1,154. Feb 7, 2008 10:48 AM in response to: NHSenior
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

 

I guess you forgot, ignored or omitted RK's rather clear, simple request for statistics regarding injuries related to ipod use only.....that's the topic!...not how many runners are in each race....or the growth figures.... or whether Marthons rule...We don't give a @#$%# about more surperflous facts.....are you this incredibly dense that you still try to yammer your way around ipods/injuries !!! I read your quoted sites and here is a paragraph..color emphasis mine

 

 

<<Running has several advantages including the ability to morph into a competitive sport, recreational sport or healthy activity for any demographic. Intriguing technological products and services such as GPS and Google Earth, Nike+ iPod system, transponder timing systems, Adidas I computer technology for footwear, "performance" fabrics and recycled materials for clothing and shoes have allowed running to stay interesting and up-to-date in recent years. Running can also be front and center in the widespread movement to connect effective and affordable fitness activities to people of all types to improve the nation's health.

 

 

But not in your world Nh..right??  no making running up to date or interesting...no making it inclusive for health...Oh no..better tell them what twits they are for thinking that.

 

 

2006 U.S. Road Running Events by Distance

 

 

Event

Number

% of

Distance

of Events

Total

5 km

7,500

50.4%

10 km

1,950

13.1%

8 km/5mi

850

5.7%

Half-Mar

550

3.7%

Marathon

408

2.7%

Others

3,620

24.3%

   

14,878

 

 

 

<< There probably is no written statistic about the actual percentage of closed races course, but if you find your self in a group of RD's other than Marathons you can quickly ask and see that 95% is probably very close to accurate. I say "other than marathon" because as a percentage of those that know what is going on, the marathon RDs are a diddle small percentage>>>

 

 

Find above the statistics you brought forth to show the relationship between ipods and injuries..not seeing injuries in there NH!! Didn't expect to of course .it's you.

 

 

But since we have these in front of us..it says there where 14,878 races..with an equal # of RD's I think we can extrapolate...when you found yourself in this group of 14, 878 RDs you reference above..where you in The Super Dome having milk and cookies...must have been quite a walk around the stadium getting your statistical evidence..your zeal for accuracy is inspiring to Team Ipod....we didn't know we were dealing with SUCH a stickler for facts and figures..so 743 races were closed and 14,135 were open ..that your DIDDLE statistic??...<<the % of those that know what's going>> on here is also DIDDLE  you are that little Diddle NH...

 

 

<<<Informed people in the sport know that without having to be spoon fed statistic.>>

 

 

Here's a shocker NH...informed people use facts, statistics, verifiable evidence to reach INFORMED decisions...Close your eyes, open your mouth, and take this bitter medicine called the TRUTH...you are simply the least informed person writing in this thread..but hold out...I'm sure STATISTICLY there is someone as hardheaded and ignorant as you..there has to a little diddle out there somewhere...and if not statisticly ..I just know.. without the spoon.. that has to be right :)

 

 

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