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Click to view WayneD's profile Expert 56 posts since
Sep 5, 2007
1,155. Feb 7, 2008 11:39 AM in response to: parkerand susan

Wow, Parkerand Susan, where did you get those dumb reviews, whining.com? Amazing. I've never seen such whiners, probably all non-ipod users, too.:)

The Marathon courses are laid out over 2 cities and most of the route is on main roads that are TOTALLY blocked off for the entire race, except for emergency traffic. Runner areas and car areas are divided with tons of cones. Hey, wait, I never saw popsicles there! It's true, though, there aren't lots of spectators in the field. I imagine that's because the end of each race is on the Notre Dame football field at the 50 yard line. Runners enter the stadium at the "tunnel" and enter the field through Notre Dames entrance. Just like the team this year, you don't get past the 50 yard line and never make a touchdown! :0

The stadium bleachers are filled with the spectators standing and cheering. That's what makes this race a big deal in this area. Run it once as a beginner and you're hooked! This one little race event has changed many lives for the better. That's what it is all about.

I might add that even though there aren't lots of spectators on the routes, there are plenty of police, ambo's, fire trucks, volunteers, and amateur radio operators helping to keep the race fun and even with headphones, safe safe safe. I think it's been running for 25 years now and no serious incidents. This may not be an example of the majority of races around the country, (NH comment), however it is an example of a well run event, thanks to our RD's and volunteers. And really, every event in this area seems to be run as well.

BTW: I have written and thanked the people in charge for the good call on headphone use.

WayneD

Click to view RKHII83's profile Pro 166 posts since
Oct 1, 2007
1,156. Feb 7, 2008 11:49 AM in response to: NHSenior
Blah, blah, blah.

A.T.F.Q. knothead.
Click to view thorogood's profile Amateur 17 posts since
Feb 7, 2008
1,157. Feb 7, 2008 1:53 PM in response to: Active Toby
Safety issues aside, I think that if you have to depend on some music to get you through a race and workouts you're just mentally weak and unable to focus while working through the pain.
Click to view lahrunner's profile Pro 103 posts since
Dec 21, 2007
1,158. Feb 7, 2008 3:54 PM in response to: RKHII83

Whoa, I leave my computer for the day and the Space Cowboys have a big shoot 'em up with The Bad Guy! Count Dorkula's alleged stats and inane research were just more of his insipid drivel. So each year, 20,000+ runners participate in Boston, NYC, the MCM, Chicago, L.A., San Diego Rock 'n Roll, Arizona R 'n R, but those 100,000+ runners are inconsequential because the running and drooling dictator deduced that from his research. Oh, but I'm a jerk, so what do I know.

BTW, Professor, I had to Google A.T.F.Q. to find out what it meant! Nice one!!

Click to view Runner Chick'en's profile Pro 142 posts since
Jan 24, 2008
1,159. Feb 7, 2008 4:08 PM in response to: thorogood
Open your ears my friend, music is a wonderful thing! I use music as my motivator when I don't think I can possibly push through another mile. Lets you and I go out for a nice run, I'll show you just how mentally strong I am, whilst using my music, as you struggle to keep up :)
Click to view Runner Chick'en's profile Pro 142 posts since
Jan 24, 2008
1,160. Feb 7, 2008 4:23 PM in response to: lahrunner

He's desperate to keep fighting a losing battle. NH has lost this battle with his lack of real facts and less then appealing personality. He knows that we aren't going away and he is afraid that we might actually get through to some of these RD's using nothing more then simple logic and reason.

Go Team Eyepod!

Click to view sgray's profile Pro 85 posts since
Aug 8, 2007
1,161. Feb 7, 2008 5:38 PM in response to: Runner Chick'en

You know, what can you say about a guy who claims to have been a Race Director at some point in his life, but then turns around and slams other Race Director's Race's. This really says all you need to know about him. Just because I may not like a race, I don't go around insulting it, and those that participate in it.

As for the Smarty Pants who says that you are mentally weak if you can't run or workout with music, please bring something interesting to this conversation. I think we all have different ways to motivate ourselves to get through walls. I use music. I don't call you a mental midget because you can't do two things at once. I mean, I think it would be downright rude to refer to you as a mental midget. However, it is kind of funny that you can't do two things at once, and statistically speaking, 95% of all people that can't do two things at once are mental midgets. I ain't sayin.......I'm just sayin.

Click to view Jay Silvio's profile Community Moderator 1,674 posts since
Jul 9, 2007
1,162. Feb 7, 2008 5:41 PM in response to: thorogood
Welcome to active.com. I would recommend that in the future you refrain from insulting the toughness of a significant portion of the running population.* It's important to understand that different people run in races for different reasons. I would suggest reading some of the posts here in this thread to gain some perspective as to why many runners are rather passionate about their music.

  • I do not use an iPod when I run.
Click to view thorogood's profile Amateur 17 posts since
Feb 7, 2008
1,163. Feb 7, 2008 6:20 PM in response to: Jay Silvio
I really love a good joke every now and then. I'm sure plenty of people didn't find that posting as funny as I did. I personally don't care if people wear them. But,I need to hear my body working while running. Plus I live in the city, and I am constantly running with eyes and ears in the back of my head. I have to know what is going on around me. Check out the picture of me versus car (I was out on a ride recovering from Boston). I think it could have been worse had I been reciting lyrics in my head.
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Click to view parkerand susan's profile Legend 357 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
1,164. Feb 7, 2008 6:50 PM in response to: thorogood

Mr. Thorogood..not the jazz man I presume.. I'm still trying to discern what "the joke" was in your posting..was it your a mental giant and ipod users are not..you got a wicked sense of humour there my friend..I'm still chuckiling..you seem to feel empowered by not listening to music..different strokes I believe...it's the rest of your post I can't discern( beyond the jOKE) ...

I understand running in the city...and you need to listen to your body for 26.2..your body must be making interesting sounds...mine just sounds like heavy breathing..guess I'd need to know if that stopped..but anyway..Lance Armstrong listens to music..did in the Tour, in training and in the NYC marathon..would you presume to advise Lance on your training techniques..he might need some pointers?? secondly I'm confused concerning your pictures..this accident involved running ?( the topic here) or biking ( which is not the topic here) and you say your biking/running accident could have been worse if you were reciting lyrics...don't see that...looks like it was bad enough just Listening to your body? what additional injuries do you think you would have suffered if you were listening to music...would your head have gone completely through the windshield? maybe headphones would have slowed your contact? I suggest you ..particuliarly you ..not wear a music device...your apparantly having trouble without music too...and you really don't have to recite lirics while listening to music..that's optional...nor move your lips when reading the funnies...it's a body thing...

Click to view thorogood's profile Amateur 17 posts since
Feb 7, 2008
1,165. Feb 7, 2008 6:54 PM in response to: parkerand susan
Fill me in on the jazz man--i've never heard of him. I am fimiliar with George as he and my dad share the same first name.
Click to view parkerand susan's profile Legend 357 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
1,166. Feb 7, 2008 7:01 PM in response to: thorogood
George Thorogood is who I'm refering to...confused again...if your familiar with him..and your father shares the same name..why do you need me to fill you in..you seem filled in...was your accident recent?
Click to view sgray's profile Pro 85 posts since
Aug 8, 2007
1,167. Feb 7, 2008 7:06 PM in response to: thorogood
Check out the picture of me versus car (I was out on a ride recovering from Boston). I think it could have been worse had I been reciting lyrics in my head.

????????

I don't know if you meant to do this or if it was purely by accident, but do you realize how much of a help you have just been to our cause? You are out riding, without headphones, and ran into a car? Will someone please go find Mary. We finally have proof that people who don't wear headphones can and do have accidents. You see, Thorogood, we have a couple of old folks in here that swear that only people that wear headphones can have accidents. You are proof positive that even those that do not enjoy listening to music while working out are just as prone to having an accident as those of us using headphones. Actually, probably more so, since you are the only one to actually show a picture of an accident happening. Noone else has been able to do that. Thanks.

Click to view parkerand susan's profile Legend 357 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
1,168. Feb 7, 2008 7:24 PM in response to: sgray

This might not help the cause sgray...apparantly this was a bike accident with a rental car...a head on collision with a bike at significant speed... the problem here is the cyclist must have been riding on the wrong side of the road to strike or be struck by a car in that position......biking is ALWAYS WITH traffic.....music or no music this was a cyclist judgement error...not a distraction induced error..although a similar mistake shown in Maryt's pictures of runners running with traffic...

2nd...hopefully a bike helmet was involved in that concave indent ..if not that may explain the joke...sometimes listening to your body takes a back seat to listening for cars..

Click to view sgray's profile Pro 85 posts since
Aug 8, 2007
1,169. Feb 7, 2008 7:33 PM in response to: parkerand susan
Point made Parker. Although, I have to wonder if this wasn't one of those cyclist runs into a parked car incidents? Regardless, it proves my theory that you can, in fact, be involved in an accident, even if you are not wearing headphones. And, since we still have not seen any proof, what so ever, of anyone having an accident WHILE listening to music, I would have to say that this means that you are 100 times more likely to be involved in an accident while not listening to music, and participating in an endurance activity around parked vehicles.