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7 Replies Last post: Feb 22, 2008 9:05 AM by Ewart_Harris  
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Feb 19, 2008 8:30 AM

Spring Marathon Trainers Thread - Week of 02/17

Time for everyone to report in:

Cool Runner ------------RACE-------------------Goal Time

CarboDiem -------------Boston April/08---------3:30:00
Jim Sullivan-------------Boston April/08---------3:04:40
Beatfreq------------------Boston April/08---------2:59:59
Ewart Harris------------Otttawa May/08----------3:15:00
spicegeek-----------------N/A---------------------N/A
Rotherhitherunner----London--------------3:15:00
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2. Feb 19, 2008 1:23 PM in response to: Ewart_Harris
Re: Spring Marathon Trainers Thread - Week of 02/17
Just a very brief update, as I won't have much time to post any additional comments for a couple of days.


Last week's total was 56.8, which included the Martha's Vineyard 20-miler on Saturday. I'd been hoping for something like 2:12; I ended up reasonably close, with a 2:14:25, 17th overall, 2nd in my age group. (Gotta love those 5-year divisions.)

Here's a look at the results...

http://www.mv20miler.com/20miler/results.php?y=2008

I'll have more details and observations later.

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4. Feb 20, 2008 2:26 AM in response to: Ewart_Harris
Re: Spring Marathon Trainers Thread - Week of 02/17

Great Performance in the 20 miler Jim, you are obviously already in very good shape.

Ewart, the weather sounds relentless there, to still manage to get 50+ miles clocked shows real dedication.

My week last week was good for me, though the 20 miler has taken it toll on my IT band problem and knocked me out of action so far this week. I will get back training tonight. I feel like I'm walking a tightrope a bit with the injury but I will worry about that after the Marathon.

Tues - 5.5 miles @ 7:40p

Thurs - 5.25 miles Unstructured Fartlek.

Fri - 7.5 miles including 4 x 1600m on the track @ 6:21, 6:22, 6:23, 6:23 (400m Jogs between)

Sat - 5.1 miles @ 7:35p

Sun - 20.05 miles, First 15 @ 7:35p, Last 5 @ 6:50p

Total: 43.4 miles

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5. Feb 21, 2008 4:14 AM in response to: Ewart_Harris
Re: Spring Marathon Trainers Thread - Week of 02/17

Ewart, keep at it - whatever training you can get in, it makes you that much stronger than skipping the runs altogether - and it can't stay cold forever... Contratulations Jim, on the race. Rotherhitthe Runner, that was an impressive fast-finish 20 miler that you did.

Here's my week.

Mo - AM: 1.5 miles on track, 2.5 miles on treadmill @ 8:47 PM: 6.2 miles @ 8:49

Tu - AM: 6 miles @ 8:40, PM: 4 miles @ 8:57 in heavy snow

We - AM: 15 miles @ 7:50 (Treadmill), PM: 4 miles @ 8:25 (Treadmill)

Th - AM: 6 miles @ 8:25, PM: 4 miles @ 8:10

Fr - 13.1 miles @ 8:12

Sa - AM: 4.8 miles, inc. 2.4 mile race @ 6:12, PM: 3 miles @ 7:37

Su - 16.1 miles @ 7:21

Weekly mileage: 86.2

Avg Weight: 190 lbs (up 2 lbs from last week)

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6. Feb 21, 2008 12:59 PM in response to: Ewart_Harris
Re: Spring Marathon Trainers Thread - Week of 02/17

Just a little more detail from the race, before the new projection.


There's actually not much to say. Except for miles 14-17, I ran within a few seconds of 6:40s the whole way. Of the splits I can remember, I was at 20:00 at mile 3, 33:17 at mile 5, 1:06:35 at mile 10, and I believe 1:33:20 (6:40s exactly) at mile 14. Then, things got rough, and I did something like 6:52, 7:11, and 6:57 through mile 17. I was a bit concerned at this point, but the last three miles have some downhills, which is somewhat important, and are mostly out of the wind, which is far more important . I ran 20:05 for the last three to finish at a 6:43 pace.

I got a nice little medal for the effort. My club, Somerville Road Runners, also picked up 3rd overall, first in the mens 45-49 (to my second), one-two in the womens 25-29 division, and second woman in the 40-44 division.

OK, let's make a projection. I was less than a minute faster than in 2006, the last time I ran Boston and the Vineyard. However, past results were off, as the course has been remeasured and found to be about 220 yards short in the past. Taking this into account, I'm about 1.04% faster than 2006, which would give me a 3:04:09.

But wait. I had an off day in Boston two years ago. Looking at my HM time from that year, comparing it to my HM time from 2003, the year of my last sub-3 marathon, and using that marathon/HM ratio, I'd say I was capable of 3:03:23 in 2006, which would put me at 3:02:14 this year.

Hold on, there's one more thing. I'm running about 8% more miles this year than I was 2 years ago, which should close some the the gap between the longer and shorter distances. Just for laughs, let's reduce my HM/marathon multiplier by the percentage increase in mileage, apply the new figure to my HM projection, and see what happens, which appears to come out to 2:59:10.

Well, there's a lot of conditionality in there, not to mention subjectivity, but that's my story and I'm sticking with it. For now.