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6 Replies Last post: May 15, 2008 12:25 PM by Doraine  
Click to view TwistedLogic89's profile Rookie 2 posts since
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May 12, 2008 8:40 AM

Looking for advice from long distance runners...


Hey everyone! I am new to this website, but not new to running. For the past two years I have regularly ran anywhere from 2-5 miles 3 to 4 times a week with some good hard biking days mixed in. But now I want to start upping my milage and go the marathon distance. I do not want to necessarily run a marathon, but just go the distance. This is something that I have always wanted to accomplish, just on a personal level. Anyways, I have a few questions to any long distance runners and I am hoping to get a few different answers.

By the way, here is some background information about me. I am an 18 year old male, 145 lbs and 5"9'. Like I said before, I run and bike regularly and eat a well rounded diet.

Here is the program that I am looking to follow. http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_4/130.shtml

Any criticisms about it, or does it look good?

1. How much water do you typically drink during a marathon run (or even just a long run)?

2. What does your diet look like?

3. How do you prevent yourself from getting injuries?

4. What are some of your regular stretches that you do before running? What do you do to warm-up and how long does that last?

5. What do you do to cool-down and how long does that last?

6. On your off days do you do any other form of exercise?

7. What does your running schedule look like?

I am just looking for some first hand information from more expericened runners. Right now I am looking at various stretches, foods, etc that I may need to incoorperate into my life. Any information that you give and any additional pointers you would like to add would be extremely helpful and appreciated. I do not expect all my questions to be answered, but anything you can add to even just one of my questions will be helpful!


Thanks everyone!

Click to view ced53's profile Legend 730 posts since
May 25, 2007
1. May 15, 2008 3:59 AM in response to: TwistedLogic89
Re: Looking for advice from long distance runners...
I just checked in here after I heard the NC was the only forum here still "active". I used to be the TheProFromDover but my name went away.

Craig

1. How much water do you typically drink during a marathon run (or even just a long run)?

Depends on the weather. I once ran 20M in 90 deg heat. I looped between the running store and my house and loaded up every 2.5M.

2. What does your diet look like?

This is not one of my strong points. But if you run enough you can eat anything.

3. How do you prevent yourself from getting injuries?

Consistent training helps. Layoffs do not.

4. What are some of your regular stretches that you do before running? What do you do to warm-up and how long does that last?

General hamstring, quad, and calf stretches.

5. What do you do to cool-down and how long does that last?

Not a strong point for me. Sometimes I just sit on the couch.

6. On your off days do you do any other form of exercise?

I bike and swim, often on the same day as running.

7. What does your running schedule look like?

I generally follow the intermediate cool running marathon schedule.

Click to view milkbaby's profile Expert 36 posts since
Oct 23, 2007
2. May 13, 2008 12:52 PM in response to: TwistedLogic89
Re: Looking for advice from long distance runners...

Here are some of my answers to your questions, but as always, everybody is different so what works for me may not work for you. Experiment and adjust to your personal needs!

1. When training, I usually drink around 24 ounces of Gatorade for long runs (20-23 miles). That is simply because I carry one of those Gatorade bottles which happens to be 24 ounces! But if I need to, I will find a water fountain and drink more. Most people will drink a LOT more than I do. You have to experiment for yourself to see what works. During the race, I might drink about 3 to 4 ounces (half of a small dixie-brand paper cup) per water stop (every 1.5 to 2 miles usually, depending on the race).

2. I eat what I like, but over the years it's basically trended towards more and more healthier fare. While it is true that if you run a LOT, you might be able to eat almost anything you want, it still is not healthy to eat too much junky food. If you are serious about your marathoning, then the healthier you eat, the better off you will be. Look for more nutrient dense foods so you don't waste calories on non-nutritious foods. As a marathoner, you need to make sure you get all the vitamins and minerals your body will demand. You will probably need to up your calcium/vitamin D intake as your body will need it for bone remodelling due to the stress of the amount of weight-bearing exercise (running) you will be doing.

3. The best way to prevent injuries is to build up your distance and intensity slower than your body can recover from it! Don't run too far or too fast. Basically you get better when your body recovers from the training, so it's really when you're resting that you're improving. The training is breaking your body down, and the recovery is building it back better than before, but if you break yourself down faster than you rebuild, that is when you get injured. A few other things I do to avoid injury is to mix up the surfaces I run on (once or twice a week I run on the treadmill instead of pavement), I do strength training usually twice a week, and I stretch gently after running.

4. I don't do any stretching before running. Some studies have shown that static stretching before running reduces muscle strength. As for warm up, I usually walk for a few minutes and then the first mile or two will be fairly easy pace. Kenyan runners have always "let the run come to them". So at the beginning of the run they may start out at 9 to 10 minute pace per mile whereas the end of their run may be down to 4:30 to 5 minutes a mile!

5. I usually walk a few minutes after the run to cool down and then do gentle stretching.

6. Off days, what's that? :) Seriously, I only take one day off from running, and usually that is one of the days I will do a strength training session. If I'm feeling beat up, then I may take a day off because it pays to listen to my body.

7. Everybody's running schedule is different. But one rule that is universal is to avoid too many stressful days in a row. Many runners use an hard/easy varying schedule. That means one day they will run a hard workout but the next day they will recover with an easy workout. The easy day means you still get in the benefit of running without too much additional stress. Some people may vary it by putting 2 hard days together, but then they will make sure to take 1 or 2 easy days after the block of hard days. Anyhow, since you asked, here is one example week of training for me:

Monday - 10-12 miles easy

Tuesday - 7 miles very easy with a group, strength training

Wednesday - 15 miles, 2 miles easy then 13 miles at marathon pace

Thursday - 10-12 miles easy

Friday - off

Saturday - 12-14 miles with a group at varying pace, mostly easy to very easy, strength training

Sunday - 20-23 miles ranging from 20% to 10% slower than marathon pace


Anyhow, I dunno how much this will help you specifically... but good luck and enjoy the training and the marathon!

Click to view runbei's profile Rookie 6 posts since
Aug 1, 2007
3. May 13, 2008 10:12 PM in response to: TwistedLogic89
Re: Looking for advice from long distance runners...
If you just want to finish a marathon, put 98% of your energy into the one run every week that really counts: the weekend long run. Everything else is just "taking off the edges" and will contribute nothing to your finishing the race. The Cool Running program calls for too much running during the week. My advice: run twice on weekdays (short and easy) and once on the weekend. Follow Jeff Galloway's advice for building up the long run: add 1 mile to the long run every other week, and when you reach 12 miles, keep one weekend at 12 miles and add a mile every other week to the other run. When you reach 15 miles, start running 5 minutes and walking 1 minute during your long runs. Build the long run to 22-24 miles.

From coach Phil Maffetone: during some of your longer runs, when you finish the scheduled distance continue walking to your proposed marathon finish time. If you run long for 3 hours and hope to finish in 4 hours, walk easily for an hour after you finish the run. Maffetone's experience with thousands of runners indicates this will really help you on race day - it somehow sets an internal mental expectation that you can cover the distance - or something... Anyway - best of luck.

Fuels are incredibly important for marathon training. I recommend Hammer Nutrition's Sustained Energy fuel. See http://www.hammernutrition.com. They claim it prevents marathon "bonk" and I've found that to be absolutely true. AVOID all drinks containing simple sugars: fructose, sucrose, etc. They are **** and many, many people hit the wall because of these drinks, which cause a deep plunge of your energy at 17-18 miles from which it's nearly impossible to recover.

runbei


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Click to view milkbaby's profile Expert 36 posts since
Oct 23, 2007
4. May 14, 2008 3:11 PM in response to: runbei
Re: Looking for advice from long distance runners...

runbei wrote:If you just want to finish a marathon, put 98% of your energy into the one run every week that really counts: the weekend long run. Everything else is just "taking off the edges" and will contribute nothing to your finishing the race. The Cool Running program calls for too much running during the week. My advice: run twice on weekdays (short and easy) and once on the weekend.

I will have to disagree strongly with the above. While there is not necessarily one approach to marathon training that is the best for everybody, the "weekend warrior" approach is usually a very poor one that can often lead to injury that keeps you from making the start of your marathon race.

There is no magic bullet for marathoning, and a lot of people forget that when they ask about the "secret workout" or whatever. It's the whole totality of your training that determines how well you will do. ALL the running you do supports your ability to run and/or race a marathon. The consideration to take into account is the balancing act between doing enough so your body can handle the rigors of running a marathon versus doing too much because you are running more miles than your body has been able to adapt to handle yet. If you just want to complete a marathon, in reality you probably do not need to do ANY training whatsoever. If you want to complete a marathon without feeling like you just got hit by a freight train, then do the training! Good luck!

Click to view figbash's profile Legend 617 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
5. May 15, 2008 12:16 PM in response to: TwistedLogic89
Re: Looking for advice from long distance runners...
I think you'll find that just training to cover the distance of a marathon will be quite boring. Running is a very goal oriented activity and training for a specific race makes it a whole lot easier.


I've used the CoolRunning beginners program a few times and it's a good one, but I would suggest a few changes. First of all a begining runner should never run the full 26 miles in training. It would take too long to complete and you would be at a high risk of injury as fatigue sets in. I would also recommend reducing the amount of speed work by eliminating the intervals altogether and replacing them with less intense running like fatlek's and hill work.


The amount of water you'll require on a run can only be detrmined by weighing yourself before and after a run to establish a guideline, allowing for any water taken during the run. I generally take a liter of water after the first hour and then alternate between water and sports drink every five miles after that. The first time I weighed myself I was astounded to learn that I'd lost eight pounds on the run, that's a full gallon of water.


I don't follow any special diet. A normal well balanced meal is plenty adequate for distance running. The exception is before long runs or marathons when I actively carb load to increase the amount of glycogen in my muscles.


Your best defense against injury is to avoid any radical increases in mileage or intensity and to have a solid base before starting a marathon training program. I spent a full year at 20 miles a week before training for my first.


Stretching is old school and highly over-rated. I gave it up years ago and have been much better off since. Instead of stretching, I spend more time warming up and cooling down, generally 1-2 miles od easy running to warm up and half a mile of walking to cool down.


I'm not running much now because I'm not training for anything but I do run year round. You can look back in my log to see how I've trained for marathons at:


http://www.runningahead.com/logs/0495b1a0780643808a7407648e44fb7f


BTW, I also disagree with runbei's advice. Good marathon performance depends on a combination of long runs and high weekly mileage. Cramming it all into one run will get you injured. I also disagree about simple sugars. Sports drinks are made of simple sugars and are designed to get fuel to your muscles quickly. Soft drinks also work very well for a quick boost when your supply of carbohydrates is dwindling.

Tom

Click to view Doraine's profile Amateur 11 posts since
Apr 30, 2008
6. May 15, 2008 12:25 PM in response to: TwistedLogic89
Re: Looking for advice from long distance runners...

Well, I am newish to running...been out of it for quite a few years...and I have a couple of favorite sites...one of which is a women's running site www.traxee.com....SO COOL...The experts can most definitely help with this question. best Wishes.


~KD